Talk:Amy Macdonald

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She is the first artist to ever have a single feautured on the new Itunes/Bebo "Free single of the week" program starting on June 23rd, 2007. A new page for Amy Macdonald will be eventually added, this template will help start that page, specially for users who are not signed up to wikipedia but would like to add to the page.

30th July 2007?
I notice the release date of This Is The Life is 30th July 2007, but the complete album is available on iTunes (Release Date: 23 July 2007), and doesn't appear to be related to "Free single of the week". I don't know the reason for this. --84.92.62.165 10:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You have to be a bebo member in the UK for that single. And albums are often released first on iTunes before their physical release.

Age?
Does anyone know her age and date of birth? thanks! 82.12.250.153 12:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Has anyone a source for the date of birth? Last.fm has a different one, January 21, 1988. O.o --SoWhy Talk 21:18, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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Dating one of the players of Aberdeen FC?
She's reportedly dating Steve Lovell, but since this is a BLP, I'll leave these sources' reliability to be evaluated by any editor who sees fit to do so. --h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 20:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Amy got to the first place in Poland
Amy's "This is life" made it to the first place in the Poland's most recognised music chart Lista Przebojow Programu Trzeciego (held weekly for last 26 years). Link: http://www.polskieradio.pl/trojka/lp3/archiwum.aspx?id=1367 Position in the table can be updated and link can be added to the refrences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.96.246 (talk) 11:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Singles chart positions
Is the cited reference only, as advertised. for US and Canadian positions? What is the distinction between DU for Dutch and NL for Netherlands? And what happend to FR for France? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I've removed it (it's now commented out if anyone wants to do some forensics); it seemed to be only for the US and Canada. Moreover, it seemed to be for Rihanna, not Amy Macdonald.
 * Cheers, This flag once was red   19:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Macdonald or MacDonald?
I was thinking about moving this page to the bicapitalised (CamelCase) version as with other names beginning in Mac or Mc, any objections?--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 18:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that's how she does it on her website so I'm going to move it. --Harris (talk) 19:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, she's not consistent on her website, so I'll hold off for now, to see if some sort of consensus forms... --Harris (talk) 19:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's spelled "Macdonald" everywhere in all the sources we use in the article - so there is no reason to move anything. It's apparently correct or if not true it is at least verifiable and we value that more than truth (see WP:V).  So # Why  review me! 20:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The correct way to capitalise the name is MacDonald. The way she chooses to capitalise it is irrelevant. Just as for trademarks that are stylised with lower case letters, as a name they are still capitalised in wikipedia. I would suggest moving the article and correcting the name usage. Nouse4aname (talk) 15:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should discuss this first with Lord Macdonald, High Chief of Clan Donald. The way she chooses to capitalise it is completely relevant.  Wikipedia is here to report reality, not define it.  If she wishes a small 'd' then it's none of Wikipedia's business to 'correct' her. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 16:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Though I have never seen it capitalised that way before... If it is a correct alternative usage (as it appears to be), then that is fine, however, if that was just the way she decided she wanted to write it for stylistic reasons, whereas her actual name was capitalised, then we would have to use the correct capitalisation. Nouse4aname (talk) 19:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It isn't a matter of how to capitalise "the name". Different spellings (and that includes different capitalisations of the same sequence of letters) are essentially different names that are the names of different people.  Some people are called Stewart, others Stuart.  Some people are called John, others Jon.  The same applies to surnames – Clark/Clarke, Davis/Davies, Dickson/Dixon, McDonald/MacDonald/Macdonald.  So it's probably just the case that the name of her family is Macdonald.
 * It may also be the case that somebody has adopted an alternative spelling as a pen name, stage name, etc. In this case, we would honour this, just as we would honour any other pen name or stage name. — Smjg (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

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Chart positions
There's been some controversy recently about chart positions, with some editors apparently unhappy with the claimed (and cited) positions. These have frequently been changed, without any matching change being made to the cited references. This is problematic as it means that readers checking the citations will see something completely different.

Can I remind editors that Wikipedia has specific policies that cover this - namely verifiability and cite? If you know that the listed chart position is wrong then you must be able to prove it, i.e. you must be able to cite a reference that supports your revised claim. Uncited claims are liable to tagged as needing a citation ( ) or even deleted; claims that differ from the cited reference are liable to be changed back to match the reference.

Cheers, This flag once was red propagandadeeds 13:32, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * See also Amy Macdonald MySpace Blog: Wikipedia. --KMS (talk) 22:26, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, DEN 1 and BEL 1 could be an album/single mismatch (same name), but I have no explanation for ITA 6. Actually one internet source had ITA 10, but I don't believe that. However, it must be annoying not beeing able to change your own page... SLC 08:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I sympathise, but we have no way of knowing that some random IP address is Amy Macdonald - after all, I'm Joe Strummer from The Clash, but there's no reason anyone should believe that. That's why Wikipedia insists on verifiability and references.  Until that changes I'm going to continue taking what anonymous IP addresses say with a pinch of salt... and hope that they have the wit to read and understand why we have the policies we have.  Cheers,  This flag once was red propagandadeeds 10:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Also worth checking out this talk page - this is the anonymous IP which wants us to take it on trust that it's really Amy Macdonald, and assuming that it truly is Amy Macdonald I've addressed the issues on their talk page as well as here. Cheers,  This flag once was red propagandadeeds 13:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

See Also section
Why is it being removed, Leona lewis page has the exact same --Saving My Face (talk) 20:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What does the Leona Lewis article have to do with this one? What's relevant for one article may not be relevant for another article. Anyway, these aren't at all relevant links - they're links to countries! How is a link to Denmark - even one dressed up as "List of people who have reached Number one in Denmark" - remotely relevant to Amy Macdonald? Cheers, This flag once was red propagandadeeds 21:08, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Formal warning and different comment on sources
Amy MacDonald, or anybody representing Amy MacDonald, should be very familiar with Wikipedia rules to avoid conflict of interest WP:CONFLICT and WP:SOAP. If you represent Amy MacDonald, it is critical you maintain a neutral perspective. Before the above editors made changes, I already made changes to Amy Macdonald (singer) to remove material inappropriate to an encyclopedia. Now, the second quotation I check, I find the citation does not confirm the claim that Elton John is a fan of her work. In fact, it doesn't even mention him. I'm giving a formal warning, that this kind of activity will very shortly cause this article to receive protection from anonymous editing.

I don't know if you are aware how much public and very negative publicity can result from using Wikipedia as a promotional platform, while at the same time engaging in edit wars. As for adding false references... Piano non troppo (talk) 01:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Photo
I have reverted the photo on this article again. I note that this photo, compared to the one replacing it is;


 * better lit
 * in focus
 * closer to the subject
 * doesn't have a microphone obscuring half her face
 * more recent

If the IP editor believes that the photo they have added is better, could they please explain why. I also notice that the photo was added after being uploaded by blocked user Walkingonadream, a sockpuppet of banned user Nimbley6. Thanks. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 22:26, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Accent
The current text says "her singing voice is described as partly Irish and similar to Dolores O'Riordan of The Cranberries by those who have a poor understanding of Scottish accents." The reference which apparently supports this simply does not mention her accent or Dolores O'Riordan. Unless anybody objects I will remove this text and the reference. Tripper (talk) 20:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * From the reference: "... her voice often compared to The Cranberries’ lead singer, Dolores O’Riordan ... some of her broad Irish accent seems to have rubbed off on Macdonald. For someone who says she loves Glasgow ... it is hard to tell where Macdonald is actually from ...". So it seems like the sentence is at least partially supported by the reference.  (talk) 20:52, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You're quite right, I missed that. Also agree with the removal of 'by those who have a poor understanding of scottish accents' by Sowhy below. Tripper (talk) 11:14, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe, but the part " by those who have a poor understanding of Scottish accents" sounds purely POV and would need to be explicitly mentioned in the reference to be included, so I removed it. Regards  So Why  21:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, definitely. No objections.  (talk) 21:51, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

popularity in US
"Is this sentence in need of editting? "Despite MacDonald's major European popularity, she has achieved one a fair amount of fame in the United States music market. " (79.190.69.142 (talk) 11:47, 1 December 2011 (UTC))
 * Yes, well spotted. I've rewritten it somewhat. I'm not entirely convinced we actually need it at all, but at least it's better than it was. Alzarian16 (talk) 19:01, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This section should either be removed or expanded to cover popularity elsewhere. Her success in Europe is much more notable than her (limited) success in US. 86.5.176.168 (talk) 10:41, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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Photos
It would be good if all the photos gave the year. -- Beardo (talk) 13:33, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Her name?
Macdonald?, MacDonald? or McDonald? -- http://zinzinzibidi.com/Kyzylsungur_Music_DVD/ 78.173.85.206 (talk) 18:10, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

personal life
i'm not sure why the section about her cars were removed. i came to this page specifically because i saw her on top gear.

specifically this whole section:

MacDonald is a fan of cars. Her current collection consists of a Bentley Continental Supersports, a Range Rover and a Ferrari 458 Italia. She has previously owned all three versions of the Audi R8, and a Nissan GT-R which she said was "super fast" but felt it was like driving "a big plastic box". In February 2013, she appeared on the BBC Top Gear Star in a Reasonably Priced Car section, driving a Kia Cee'd to a time of 1:44.4. This was the fastest lap time recorded for a female star at that time.
 * It was removed because its sources were a online forum, which isn't a reliable source and an iPlayer listing that won't be there after this month, and isn't accessible outside the UK. The mention of her lap time was also cited to the table that didn't actually include Macdonald at the time.  I see that's there now, so I've re-added that bit.  If you know of any sources that can be used for the rest than please do re-add. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 22:52, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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