Talk:Anaerobic exercise

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Old discussion
The direction I was thinking of taking it was talking about why people do anaerobic exercise, since Anaerobic_metabolism has the chemistry of it covered. Not sure how to best handle the talking about it in that way yet. If anyone has any ideas go for it.

Also I think in general the whole exercise/fitness part of wikipedia needs a lot of work. For example Weight_loss just redirects to dieting [not any more - user], when in reality exercising is much more effective than dieting to lose weight, and weight loss programs that do not included exercise suck and usually fail(IMHO). Perhpas because we have good articles on aerobic/anerobic metabolism the Anaerobic/Aerobic exercise pages should primarily be a collection of links to exercises of their type, with a few words about the benefits and comparison of anaerobic and aerobic exercise.

(just some athlete, not a trained expert)--NoYes 06:17, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

In university level textbooks the terms aerobic/anerobic have generally been superceeded by more accurate terms. there are three energy systems the muscles use:

The high intensity/short duration system: known as phospagen/high energy phosphate or ATP/CP system. The intermediate system: known as (oxygen independent or non-oxidative) glycolytic system. the long-term system: known as (oxygen dependent or oxidative) system.

furthermore there is an overlap between the energy systems for any particular exercise: for example Fox E & Matthews (1974) shows that even a sport as "anaerobic" as weightlifting draws 95% of energy from the short term system and 5% from the intermediate system.

most of this can be checked against "Supertraining" 6th edition, Dr Mel Siff & Dr Verkhoshansky

--User:Weightshead

--12.207.91.233 01:24, 1 December 2005 (UTC)so just remember it doesnt need oxygen!!! == == == ==

This article is somewhat contradictory to the article on Lactate or lactic acid. Seeing as they are not the same I find it inaccurate that they are treated as such in this article. The debate over lactate may be active but if so then it shouldn't be held as fact.

glycogen and switch to aerobic metabolism
the article states that running out of glycogen in muscles is what switches one to aerobic metabolism. i thought this was what happens when a marathoner "hits the wall", which is long after he turned to aerobic metabolism. can anyone clarify this, or fix it if need be. Sfahey 22:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The difference here is muscle glycogen vs liver glycogen. Hitting the wall is usuallu associated with running out of liver glycogen.  Pasta loading is all about 'filling up' the liver with glycogen. David D. (Talk) 04:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

removed controversial study
I removed the section on the controversial study on lactic acid.
 * It was long thought that lactic acid, the end-product of anaerobic metabolism, causes muscle fatigue and must be burned up by the body during a recovery period before another anaerobic bout of exercise can be attempted. However, scientists now accept the view that lactic acid may actually facilitate further exercise, and is itself a valuable fuel used by mitochondria in aerobic metabolism. The recovery period also allows the muscles to use oxygen to replenish the energy used during the high intensity exercise.

This could be expanded in its own section but is not really introduction material. David D. (Talk) 04:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Discussion of different forms of anaerobic metabolism absent in this article!!!
Check out http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk/energy.htm in which it explains the ATP form of anaerobic metabolism and the 'Lactic acid form'. p WHy does this article not discuss the differences??? Possibly one of the worst content articles I've come across. Can somebody who can do it properly take in this information and improve this article??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.49.183.79 (talk • contribs).


 * It is there:
 * "Anaerobic exercise begins with muscles utilizing stored creatine phosphate to generate the ATP that produces muscle contraction. After several seconds, further ATP energy is made available to muscles by metabolizing muscle glycogen into pyruvate through glycolysis, as it normally does through the aerobic cycle. What differs is that pyruvate, rather than be broken down through the slower but more energy efficient aerobic process, is fermented to lactic acid."
 * I would suggest you rewrite that paragraph so it is more like the form you were expecting. Are ATP form and lactice acid form recognised terminology? David D. (Talk) 19:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

center around?
Why not write center on? How can you center around something? (In the first sentence of the article.)62.142.45.245 23:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

mM/L?
Am I missing something here? Molarity is a measure of concentration, and so M/L doesn't make much sense to me. Perhaps it should be mmol/L? Gaspard 15:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion?
I came to this page to find out what Anaerobic Exercise was, and instead found information on what's chemically going on and what chemically constitutes it. I also found out what exercises are aerobic. I still don't know what exercises are anaerobic. Perhaps list and explain examples? --76.214.201.26 06:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I looked up this page hoping to find examples of anaerobic exercises and learn what the practical differences are between an aerobic and anaerobic exercises. 71.193.188.131 (talk) 17:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah; it's bizarre that the article on anaerobic exercise doesn't list a single anaerobic exercise. 98.217.79.216 (talk) 17:08, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

An example of Anaerobic exercise would be, but not limited too; Sprinting, Bodybuilding, Long Jump, High Jump etc. Anaerobic simply means without oxygen, what this means is that your body starts using another system (Lactate) in order to break down glucose for use as energy. In normal circumstances (at rest or during aerobic exercise; low to moderate intensity exercise, the body can take in enough oxygen to supply the working muscles with blood and therefore oxygen, however when exercise intensity exceeds oxygen intake capabilities, then the exercise becomes anaerobic. Hope this helps (Jiigzz (talk) 07:52, 10 June 2011 (UTC))

Question about creatine-energy rest period
If creatine energy stops after 30 seconds, how long must a person rest before he will be able to use the creatine again (instead of using the second inferior energy source called 'glycolisis'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.73.210.68 (talk) 02:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

This might give some answers: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/issa111.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.73.210.68 (talk) 02:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

The Phosphocreatine system (which I assume you are referring to) is used for maximun intensity activities (such as sprinting) that do not normally exceed 10 seconds. The phosphocreatine system "kicks" in instantly after commencement of activities and lasts for up to 15 seconds, after which, the body relies on the glycolytic system in order to produce energy, After the "creatine system" has been used up, you must allow 2-4 minutes to allow for the regeneration of PCr before undertaking another bout of maximal exercise. (Jiigzz (talk) 08:20, 10 June 2011 (UTC))

Heart Rate diagram
I have pointed out an error in the heart rate diagram in the Talk:Aerobic exercise discussion. Best contribute there if you have anything to add.

Zfishwiki (talk) 21:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Could the chart be extended to perhaps 80 years old? I'm 75 and never can find a good chart for HIIT. Dehughes (talk) 20:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

High Intensity Interval Training
Can information be added to the article about why Interval Training and High Intensity Interval Training methods, which are anaerobic exercise methods, produce the same physiological changes in the body as aerobic exercises of much longer durations? Wsmss (talk) 11:32, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Diagram at Top of page
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that diagram seems to be incorrect. It has VO2max above Anaerobic exercise. However Vo2max is the bodies ability to intake oxygen to supply working muscles and if the body cannot take in enough oxygen to supply the muscles, then the exercise becomes anaerobic (without oxygen). Shouldn't V02max be underneath Anaerobic or does this diagram represent something else? V02 max is to do with supplying the working muscles. At an individuals Vo2 max, oxygen consumption remains the same even though excercise intensity is increased and the body changes to instead use the lactic acid system (which is more intense that an individuals Vo2 max. Maybe delete the diagram if it is incorrect? (Jiigzz (talk) 08:33, 10 June 2011 (UTC))

The text says HIIT becomes anaerobic at above 90% HRmax. But the diagram says anaerobic metabolism occurs between 80% and 90%. Is this a contradiction or is the 90% threshold specific to HIIT? And isn't it dangerous to go beyond 90%? --92.77.217.90 (talk) 10:23, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

There's a lot of work that needs to be done on this page
I came to the page to figure out what anaerobic metabolism is and got chemistry and fermentation links that I was forwarded to. needs work and sounds like there's a lot of confusing information. Its not clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.175.101 (talk) 03:31, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Biological effects of anaerobic exercise
The article doesn't really cover this. Love to see it expanded! Lfstevens (talk) 04:44, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

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Ok, but what about risks?
For example you can get tennis elbow, see here. 85.193.252.19 (talk) 01:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)