Talk:Anatolian Seljuk architecture

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"History" section
The "History" section has nothing relevant to the article concerning architecture. According to DragonTiger it, "is necessary to understand the difference between Great Seljuk and Anatolian Seljuk." Yet the section has to mention twice, how the Seljuks bore the brunt of the crusades(not architectural), the expanse of the Great Seljuk Empire(not architectural), and how the Sultanate of Rum was the last vestiges of the Great Seljuk Empire(no mention of buildings, mosques, etc.). I do not see any attempt to show the difference between the Seljuk Empire or the Sultanate of Rum. DragonTiger even includes a minor genealogy to show how both were connected! All the while, the "History" section does not make a single mention of anything architectural. So instead of using the talk page to support 2 reverts of two different editors, DragonTiger continues to edit war over a section that clearly does not belong. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Splitting proposal
Propose splitting Seljuk architecture into Great Seljuk architecture and Anatolian Seljuk architecture (or equivalent titles). Suggest converting Seljuk architecture into a DAB.

This article currently covers two topics which would work better as separate articles. I hope that's easy to see, but arguments for reference:
 * While the Great Seljuks and the Anatolian Seljuks are dynastically related, their architecture is stylistically, chronologically, and geographically different. This should be evident from the article itself, but also from almost any general reference on Islamic architecture (e.g. Grove Encyclopedia of Islamic Art and Architecture, Islamic Art and Architecture 650-1250, Islam: Art and Architecture, etc), where these two topics are always in different chapters or subsections.
 * Practially speaking, as an editor, every time I'm linking to Seljuk architecture it's always with intended reference to either Great Seljuk architecture or Anatolian Seljuk architecture; never both. Likewise, as a reader, most links to this article are in a context where only one of these architectures is relevant. While readers familiar with the topic can pick out the sections they need, unfamiliar readers may be sidetracked by the article's inclusion of two similarly-named but otherwise different architectures.
 * E.g.: only Anatolian Seljuk architecture is directly relevant to the background of Ottoman architecture, whereas only Great Seljuk architecture is relevant to the large topic of Iranian architecture; monuments like the Great Mosque of Isfahan and the Alâeddin Mosque are examples of either Great Seljuk or Anatolian Seljuk architecture, but not both; etc.
 * The content here is now large and complex enough that it can easily populate two articles. There is a lot of information and complexity to cover in Anatolian architecture especially (due to the greater number and diversity of surviving monuments), which would benefit from having its own dedicated article.

I don't think either of these two subtopics would qualify as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, as both are more important in different contexts, so I propose to convert Seljuk architecture into a DAB. This would also alert editors to update existing links (though I'll do my best to help with that). R Prazeres (talk) 20:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Just a quick reminder (for anyone watching this article) about this proposal. If there are no objections in the near future, I'll perform the split. R Prazeres (talk) 19:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Seeing no objections, I'm going to close this discussion. I'm not sure on the best way to proceed in splitting one article into two new articles with a DAB at the original title, but rather than leaving this article's entire edit history behind in the DAB, I'm going to move this article to one of the two new titles (thus preserving the history there), create the second article in another location (like in a regular WP:SPLIT), then convert the old Seljuk architecture title into a DAB after it's become a redirect. I'm making an educated guess that there are more edits in this article's history pertaining to Anatolian Seljuk architecture than to Great/Iranian Seljuk architecture (partly because the Anatolian-releated content is much more extensive), so I'm going to preserve the edit history at Anatolian Seljuk architecture. I'm assuming this is reasonable, let me know if there was a better way and we can potentially fix it. R Prazeres (talk) 05:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)