Talk:Anberlin/Archive 1

Christain Rock?
Can someone confirm that they actually are a Christian rock band? s p l i n t a x  (talk) 00:00, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, they get heavy play on Christian radio stations, and they're signed to distinctly Christian Tooth and Nail Records. Their lyrics, while not as explicitly religious as many bands, are definitely Christian-themed. Kertrats 05:15, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, cool. I don't know the band myself, but a friend mentioned them so I looked them up on the wiki and found this, but he didn't know that they were Christian, and seemed to be a fan of sorts. :-\ Thanks for the info. s p l i n t a <font color="#333333">x  <font color="#333333">(talk) 10:44, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

What are besides christian and alterntive
Ok here we not going to talk about anberlin being christian or not. We are going about what other genre they are. I think they are pop punk and also Emo.User:skateremorocker

Christian Rock?
and so cool

Just because they are signed to a christian label and are Christian's doesn't mean their genre is Christian Rock. Calling them Christian Rock says nothing about their music style. I read all of the lyrics from their second album and only found one God reference, Black Sabbath make more references but they aren't Christian Metal. What makes this band Christian Rock? In my opinion nothing. This band sings about reltionships and so should be considered some form of emo music rather than some form of christian music.
 * Much as I despised this argument when it was used against me in my argument to remove Creed from the Christian rock category, the term has been defined at Wikipedia as "a perceived connection to what [self-identified fans of CCM] regard as Christianity". This band is played consistently on Christian radio stations, tours with Christian artists, has Christian lyrics (most notably on the second album the entire song "Paperthin Hymn", I don't know how you managed to miss that in your search).  Emo and Christian rock are not mutually exclusive categories; many emo bands are also christian rock bands, Anberlin included.  There is absolutely no doubt that Anberlin falls into the loose (in my opinion, overly so, but even by a stricter definition, such as the band saying so themselves, which I think would be a much more logical minimum boundary) restraints we currently have on the definition. Kertrats | Talk 22:46, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Ok this is what I think Anberlin is kind of like Switchfoot ues to be label christian rock but there not anymore. The Members in the band are still christian but they deside to spered there music out to others who could here lyics. to me Anberlin is doing the samething. They want to spered there music out to the non christian rocks of the world. and thats the reson why they dont label themeslfs christian rock. The Has said they dont want to be label that. Just look at switchfoot there always played on Mtv or Vh1 or and seular rock stations but the band would never down play God. And Anberlin is just trying do do the same thing that all. User:Skateremorocker

Christian Rock argument...
I'm new here, so still have no idea how to use the boards or reply to the correct thread. I was the annonomous poster and now I'm replying. My problem isn't with this band being classed as a christian band the problem is more that there are other 'genre' labels that better fit this band. I'm sure they are happy to classify themselves as christian rock and get played on christian radio but the fact is if they weren't christians then they wouldn't simply be classifed as 'rock' but as 'melodic emo' or something to that effect. The same situation applies to the 'christian metal' band 'still remains'. Sure they are christian and metal but the fact is that says nothing about their music. I think in situations where bands are classified as christian as a genre it would be better to give them more than one genre. They belong in the christian genre because they're christian and belong in other genres because their music sounds that way. It's not a massive problem but if you asked a person to put each song into a genre then christian rock would certenly not be the most common.

You're right. There should have been a more specific label than "Christian Rock" there. I went with your melodic emo, but if somebody who knows more about the band's musical style then me has a better label for it go to it. STAREYe 02:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

The First Album contains alot more references to God such as in the song Cadence where the chorus to the song is<BR> "The Closer I come to you<BR> The closer I am to finding God<BR> You're a miracle to me<BR> The closer I come to you<BR> the closer I am to finding God<BR> You're a miracle to me" Also again with another verse relating to St. Paul and Joan of Arc Newedge14 5:09, November 27 2006

Because saying the word "god" means you're religious. That means that any person who's ever screamed, "Oh my God!" at something is a devout Christian ready to be crucified. The Joan of Arc and St. Paul arguments are just as shallow. I can point out perhaps dozens of bands in the last 30 years that would never be pegged as a Christian Rock band, but have made numerous references to God, the bibles, and various other commonly religion affiliated items. --IndigoAK200 08:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The thing that truly makes them a religious band other than songs that relate to God. Is the fact that they are all Christian, and that they all have stated that Anberlin is a Christian Rock band. Of course I wouldn't be able to cite this because it has been said in concerts. The whole references to God by other bands, yes every band can make references to God, its when they actually preach about God, or worship him in song does the band become Christian. The reference to Oh My God is extremely un-Christian as a true Christian band would never use the lords name in vain, in fact that is seen as a form of Anti-Christianity. -- Anonymous 8:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, they have said it at concerts, however, being Wikipedia, and people being people, there's no real way to state it, and interviewers seemingly don't ask, as if they already know Anberlin is a Christian band, in common sense.IronCrow 00:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Anberlin fits in the Christian Rock genre. I think some people have been denying this as a fact because they don't want to believe that one of their favorite bands is considered "Christian", a term that can turn some people off.  But it makes more sense to say that they are Christian rather than they aren't; they play at Christian concerts, their lyrics reflect a Christian way of thinking, their music is sold in Christian stores, you get the picture.  Anberlin, unlike Switchfoot, has not officially proclaimed the band to be secular, either.  They may be Christian rock, but that doesn't make them any less of band.  Really, in my opinion, the term "Christian" shouldn't really be a genre of music at all, and the segregation is a bit disappointing, but since the genre exists anyway (there is a Wikipedia article on it), we might as well place Anberlin in that catagory.  This is not to say that Anberlin does not fit in any other genre (alternative rock is still feasible), but Christian rock is a legit entry to their list of genres.  You may not agree with Christianity, but I'm sorry, but I can't change Anberlin's faith.  To be frank, they are Christian whether you approve of it or not.  (Also, this is a great discussion!) Liscobeck 04:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I just found this piece of news from March 20, 2007:

"In the summer of 2002, the band signed with Tooth and Nail Records, a record label that has been known for representing many Christian rock bands like Underoath and MewithoutYou. The reputation of the record label, in addition to the fact that the lead singer is a Christian, led to Anberlin being instantly labeled as a Christian band.

'We don't consider ourselves a Christian band,' Christian said. 'We had known about Tooth and Nail because of Juliana Theory, Further Seems Forever and our friend Chris Carrabba. They all went over there so we were like, 'Oh yeah, why not Tooth and Nail?''

Once Anberlin signed with Tooth and Nail, people assumed it as a Christian band and today, Anberlin can be found on such Web sites as christianrocklyrics.com and jesusfreakhideout.com. This image impressed upon it has caused some opposition from other bands along the way. Christian explained that Anberlin was set to be the main support for a bigger band (he didn't want to mention which one) this past fall, and when the band found out they were Christians, they were no longer willing to tour with them.

'I wonder why,' Christian said. 'Do they think we are going to come in and like try to get them all saved or baptize somebody?

'That sucks sometimes, but on the other hand, a lot of bands really don't care who we are and that I have faith.'"

I guess Anberlin doesn't want to be considered a Christian band. Better take off the "Christian rock" genre. Liscobeck 02:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter if the band don't want to be considered a christian rock band, it is based on what reliable sources say. The band could claim they consider themselves a norwegian death metal band, but that wouldn't make it true.Hoponpop69 21:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * In a way, I agree. The band does not consider itself a Christian band like Jars of Clay or Audio Adrenaline, as in, they don't consider themselves to be a "Praise and Worship" type Christian band. However, their lyrics are much more Christian than many other Christian bands (Underoath for instance?) and I don't think the other members would have much against being tagged as a Christian Rock Band. I mean think about it, if so many people believe them to be a Christian band, and the majority of the people who buy their albums are obviously Christian, then I'm guessing something's up. IronCrow 22:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to say a whole lot, seeing as most of what I said would probably be repeating something that's already been said, but I too agree that Anberlin should be listed as a Christian Rock band. —Mears man 06:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, and also, has anyone watched the DVD for Cities (Special Edition)? They seems to write there songs with faith in mind. IronCrow 19:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

There Not a christian They even say it in interviews that they dont want to be consider a christian. just a Rock band so the christian rock should be taken off. Iam its And to the person who said there on a christian label that dosent mean anything. The Classic Crime is not christian,Mae is not christian,The fold is saying there not so Andberlin is not christian.Skateremorocker

evanescence?
could there be something linking these two worth noting, and Creed i guess? like, maybe the old christian rock sound should be called christian folk, because it's usually very folk music. but that's original research. i dunno, whatever i guess.
 * What? I see no link. Explain further. Kertrats | Talk 00:24, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

SxSW - Paperthin Hymn
Is it worth a mention that an MP3 of Paperthin Hymn is included in the torrent of music from South by South West? Peteresch 23:07, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

This article needs citations. Like this statement "The album was praised by critics" Benbenbenben 05:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Bob Dylan cover
If you enjoy Bob Dylan, do yourself a very big favor and don't listen to their cover of Like a Rolling Stone. I don't think a group could have perverted it more if they wanted to, imho. jordan 19:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Conservative Punk
they were - at one time - included on the conservative punk band list but they disappeared from the list about four weeks later... does anyone know anything certain about the reasons? 193.171.131.241 15:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

BlueprintsForTheBlackMarket w/ spaces?
Isn't the actual technical name BlueprintsForTheBlackMarket not Blueprints For The Black Market? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vertgforces (talk • contribs).

The title with the spaces seems to be more correct. They spell it that way everywhere else. It was probably just like that to look different, but no other reason. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Liscobeck (talk • contribs).

YouTube links
This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. ---J.S (t|c) 04:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Source of name
I'm removing these two conflicting sections for the source of their name, because I can't find a reference for either: Lead singer Stephen Christian stated in an interview that the band's name "anberlin" was created when he was thinking about cities in Europe he wanted to visit. In his mind he listed "London, Paris, Rome, and Berlin". Stephen thought that "And Berlin" would be a cool name for a band and so when the band was looking for a name Stephen suggested "And Berlin", which was then modified to "anberlin". The name "Anberlin" stems from the lead singer Stephen Christian (his last name is not really Christian) reading the book 'I Sat Down By the River Padre and Wept. The girl in the story was named Anberlin. Jpers36 21:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

"http://www.answers.com/topic/anberlin" says, "Lead singer Stephen Christian stated in an interview that the band's name 'anberlin' was created when he was thinking about cities in Europe he wanted to visit. In his mind he listed 'London, Paris, Rome, and Berlin'. Stephen thought that 'And Berlin' would be a cool name for a band and so when the band was looking for a name Stephen suggested 'And Berlin', which was then modified to 'anberlin'."

I read that on a few pages (search:"'And Berlin' Anberlin" on a search engine.)

I had never heard the one about his daughter. That was new. Someone should research this and figure it out.

24.20.66.65 03:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)Peter Kagey


 * To Peter Kagey, Answer.com is a mirror of Wikipedia, the whole article on the band is straight from the wikipedia article, as some sites around the net do this. To Jpers36, I have seen both of those two, I believe the first one to be more accurate but not sure. --DJREJECTED 16:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I haven't found any official statement from the band that verifies this, but I have spoken with several individuals who speculate that the truth probably lies in a mixture of both of these theories, saying that Stephen probably got the original idea for the name when listing the cities "London, Paris, Rome, and Berlin," and he thought that Anberlin would make a nice name for a daughter. Later on, when trying to think of a name for the band, Stephen suggested Anberlin. Personally, I tend to agree with this theory, but that doesn't mean that I'm right. Mears man 20:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Strayer
I've quoted from AP.net about his departure. If anyone can add/correct anything please do so, and change the picture as well.


 * Picture changed. Liscobeck 22:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Nu Emo?
I rad a lot of Alternative Press and they mentioned thi band sounding a lot like Saosin on their new CD. Frankly after I purchased it, I would have to agree. They are at least Pop-Punk if not than some type of Emo. Gellister 21:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I disagree...definetly Alternative Rock. not Punk, and emo is a lyrical style not a musical style. Anberlin is technically Christian, not emo.

Emo is a style of music... if you don't believe it then get your ears checked. Emotional Hardcore is emo. Nu-Emo is music like Saosin and bands that keep the guitars of original emo but minus the screaming, frankly Anberlin fits the bill. Gellister 20:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I wouldn't consider Anberlin to be emo. While I do consider emo to be a genre of music, I do tend to agree with whoever left that previous comment, saying that emo is more of a lyrical style than a musical style. Also, I have yet to see Anberlin claim to be emo on any of their sites or in an interview. Mears man 20:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

But have they claimed to be anything else yet? I don't think so. So we can't really draw inferences but everyone has their opinions.Gellister 20:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Band Members
I'm confused about which members are still in Anberlin, which ones have joined, and which have left. Anyone know? Liscobeck 05:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Strayer, the second guitarist, left right before Cities released; Christian, formerly of Acceptance, has replaced him. All the original members (Stephen, Joey, Deon, and Nate) are still in the band. Roofi&#39;s Publicist 19:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That's what I thought, but I've heard other mixed reports. Thanks for the clear-up! :) Liscobeck 05:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

They're not emo ... *looks at album cover* .. theres black on there, THEY MUST BE EMO aah! They're not emo ... take the emo off the genre, it is embarrassing.

Tour List
Do we really need the entire headlining tour list? I think not so I am going to remove it. Aidepolcycne eerf 22:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Band Name Capitalization
The article title says "anberlin," but everywhere else in the page, it's capitalized as "Anberlin." To date, all of their CDs have had a lowercase 'a', but is this due to stylization or is it how they actually prefer it to be spelled? D3PyroGS 16:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It is just stylization. The Newsboys are another example of this; their logo usually has a lower-case "n", but everywhere else it is capitalized.  Therefore, the article title has been changed to "Anberlin" and not "anberlin." Liscobeck 23:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Pop-punk?
So we have determined that they are Christian Rock, but are they really pop-punk. Itunes refers to them as being closer to the "mature stylings of Third Eye Blinds" than emo type music. I am not a big fan so I was wondering what others thought.

Recent Performances
"The band performed on G4's Attack of the Show on March 23, 2006. They also performed at Parachute Music Festival in New Zealand in early 2006. They also recently just played on "The Late Late Show w/ Craig Ferguson on march 5th 2007."

Do we really need a list of the band's recent performances in this article? I'll leave it for now, but to me it just looks bad and causes clutter. What does everyone else think? --Mears man 12:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I am going to get rid of the whole sentence because that is not something that would be included in an encyclopedia and sometimes people forget that wikipedia is an encyclopedia!

Godspeed Music Video
The band said on one of their blogs that they are going to Sweden to record the music video for Godspeed. Could someone add this? Thanks. Here is the link to the blog they announced it in, but we'll need a better source for the page,probably. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ef_zhJZAM


 * The video has been released! YAY!!  Here's the link: watch Liscobeck 03:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

A Few Changes
The old image of the band was recently removed, possibly for copyright violations. Does anyone have another image that we could use without violating copyright laws? Also, in the History section of the article, there's a line that reads "The bandmates started the group in 2002, after the demise of their previous group, known as SaGoh 24/7." Does anyone else think that the word demise is a bit strong? I was always under the impression that the band simply decided to go in a bit of different direction with their music, not that SaGoh 24/7 was a complete failure. Should this possibly be reworded? —Mears man 20:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

External Links Cleanup
This article's list of external links seems to be getting a bit long, and I think it might be best to weed out some of the less important ones. I've looked around a bit, and it appears that other band related articles that are much longer than this one don't have near as many external links listed. Some of them could probably be incorporated into the article as references, so they may not need to be removed entirely, but it is something that I feel needs to be looked at. —Mears man 19:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Why so many singles?
There is not need for all of the singles. The only ones that have merit are Godspeed (because it has an actual singles release) and Paperthin Hymn (because it has charted). The others are unnecessary. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.94.192.23 (talk) 03:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC).
 * I don't know if I necessarly agree with that. All the songs that were listed on that chart are singles of Anberlin's, so they are notable in that sense.  Just because the songs didn't make it into the Top 100 on Billboard doesn't mean that the single isn't notable.  There are other charts that some of these songs did top, such as the ChristianRock.Net Top 100 (which is noted in other articles, such as Relient K discography).  This page on ChristianRock.Net lists ten Anberlin singles, one of which was a former number one song and two others of which were former top five songs (although I don't know their exact position on the chart).  I think it's relatively safe to say that at least some of Anberlin's other singles are notable and should be included in the article, but I'm not sure as to how we should go about determining which ones should be included and which ones shouldn't. —Mears man 13:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)