Talk:Anberlin/archive1

Embrace The Dead
If you search "Embrace the Dead" on Google, there are dozens of hits for Anberlin lyrics. Is this an unreleased Anberlin song?
 * No, actually, "Embrace the Dead" was a song made when they were still known as SaGoh 24/7, so no, it is not an unreleased Anberlin song. Pbroks13 14:50, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

SaGoh 24/7
Somebody let this article die via prod... Chubbles 16:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Since that article was deleted and it doesn't really have enough to stand on its own, I merged its content here. Chubbles 16:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

GA fail
I have failed this article because it fails points 1,2,3 and 4 on the good article criteria. The lead sections is too short and the article is full of proseline. Many sections contain no sources where there should be, especially when numbers of sales are involved. The article is not balanced in its coverage, the section for the Origin of name is longer than almost all of the other sections despite probably not being that important in the whole picture. There is a non neutral tone especially when talking about former member Joey Bruce. The overall tone is not quite encyclopedic yet, try looking at Featured articles for examples of how band articles should be written.  T Rex  | talk  15:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I fixed a couple of things: I rewrote some portions, removed some unnecessary info and got rid of the proseline. The tone has been fixed a bit, with Joey Bruce and all.  There is still much to be done, especially with citations. Liscobeck 16:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Pop-Punk
Okay, lets talk about genres and not edit them until we get a decision. Pop-punk seems to be in dispute? What are everyones thoughts? -- Pbroks13 21:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't think it needs to be listed, but I don't really have any reason for thinking that other than the fact that I don't really consider them to be pop-punk. —Mears man 21:29, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Honestly i think they are Pop Punk and not just because I think they are or i think that sound like, But many sites have listed them to be Pop Punk or Emo and even Indie Rock. But manly they are listed Alternative rock/Punk Pop/Comentary christian music. Honestly there not only just christian rock and Alterntive. I in my own a though i think the only reson why people say there Emo is because of there music video Godspeed and how they write there lyics. User:Skateremorocker —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.22.131 (talk) 19:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I've added a citation needed tag to this genre, please provide one, or else it has to be taken down. Hoponpop69 23:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Myself and other Members are on it. But my quistion is how do we put the information on here about the being pop punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skateremorocker (talk • contribs) 19:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I have found information on this band being Pop Punk Anberlin:cites Aversion.com heres what this artic says. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sk8erforzero (talk • contribs) 18:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

What you guys dont seem to understand is that just because you found a site for a peice of information doesnt mean it's necessarily true. -- Pbroks13 21:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm still stunned that Anberlin is STILL classified Christian Rock... no wonder this article failed the GA. Christian Rock shouldn't even be a category of music.  Oh well.  DEVS EX MACINA  pray 03:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Just a few things...
 * A mediation was made for the genres. You can see it here.
 * The GA fail had nothing to do with the genres... I hope your just kidding.
 * Feel free to somehow be constructive? Maybe? -- Pbroks13 04:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I think he is, but it's still very funny. The lack of fans on the autograph signing photo is funny as well. Sorry :) --andreasegde 15:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I just thought I'd comment and say that the picture was taken before an autograph session, not during one, which would explain the lack of fans in the image. —Mears man 15:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

GA pass
A few notes for improvement
 * Image caption in infobox needs wikilinking where appropriate, and a date.
 * ✅ —Mears man 16:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You don't need the flag icon in the infobox.
 * ✅ —Mears man 16:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * A few band redlinks could be removed or created.
 * ✅ —Mears man (talk) 05:37, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You shouldn't have external links to MySpace etc. in the article body, put them in the EL section
 * ✅ —Mears man 16:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Image in Members section needs a better caption
 * ✅ —Liscobeck 03:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't need Video Links for the singles, leave those for the respective articles
 * ✅ —Mears man 16:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Far too many external links.
 * ✅ —Pbroks13 06:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 07:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
 * Per Wikipedia:Context and Build the web, years with full dates should be linked; for example, link January 15, 2006.[?]
 * ✅ —Pbroks13 (talk) 15:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), dates shouldn't use th; for example, instead of using January 30th was a great day, use January 30 was a great day.[?]
 * ✅ —Pbroks13 (talk) 15:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Dihydrogen Monoxide  ♫ 07:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.[?]

Indie rock
Ok I think I should change it from Alternative to Indie rock but I need some votes and if I get none I'm just changing it so let me see some votes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.235.202 (talk) 18:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, we don't vote on Wikipedia, we reach consensus. Secondly, I don't really consider Anberlin to be an indie rock band, and I certainly don't think we should remove the alternative rock label.  From what I understand the main thing that distinguishes indie bands from others is not the sound of their music (for there's a pretty decent variety present), but rather being on an independent record label as opposed to a major record label.  Seeing as Anberlin is signed to a major record label, I don't really see how they're an indie band. —Mears man (talk) 18:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say they weren't Alternative and I just said vote because I want a simple yes or no and why care what wikipedia wants what's it going to do swat you on the head and say no.Just give me a yes or no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.235.202 (talk) 05:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * For the reasons I've given before, I'm going to say no, I don't think Anberlin should be labeled as an indie rock band. —Mears man (talk) 05:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Well I need more than just one vote and don't add EMO to the genre's without discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.235.202 (talk) 17:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Just for the record, I don't think they should be listed as Emo either, nor have I ever suggested that they should be. —Mears man (talk) 18:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Your oppinion is only valued if other people vote stop writing in here just yes or no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.66.220 (talk) 21:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, I reccomend that you read this. It's not to be offensive, but to help you be more constructive. Secondly, Anberlin should not be labeled as indie per Mears man's comment. Anberlin is on a major record label.
 * Taken straight form indie rock:"Indie rock is a supposed genre of alternative rock that primarily exists in the independent underground music scene." --Pbroks13 03:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

207.119.235.202, you stated in an earlier post: "why care what wikipedia wants what's it going to do swat you on the head and say no". It's not about what Wikipedia WANTS, per se. Wikipedia, while it can be edited to whatever you want, has policies that should be followed in order for the encyclopedia to be at its best potential. The reason Wikipedia can have such a bad reputation is that some people change facts without any verification or any other reason (or just to be "funny"). It's not about what you "think" Anberlin is, we are supposed to show what Anberlin really is. If you think Anberlin is considered "indie rock", great, but discuss changes first (because of the mediation), and be prepared to back it up with info other than your own opinion. Liscobeck (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Well ok then all I wanted was a few votes and I got them so its decided it won't be changed thanks for voteing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.72.147 (talk) 20:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Genre
What genre are they other than Alternative and Christian rock? They seem to be something other than them but what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.33.172 (talk) 20:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Possible sentence revision needed
In the Involvement in Christian music section, there's one sentence that reads as follows:

"Despite these statements and others of the like, multiple sources list the band as part of the Christian rock genre, and some songs' lyrics containing religious references further these inaccuracies."

Is inaccuracies the proper word to use there? Maybe I'm having a hard time understanding the sentence, but to me it reads as if it's either saying that the band has inaccurately been labeled as Christian or it has been inaccurately described as non-Christian. This seems to be a bit of POV regardless of which way you read it. Should this be rephrased, perhaps by removing the word "inaccuracies" altogether and saying something about the inconsistencies between the "they're Christian" and the "they're not Christian" messages presented to the public? —Mears man (talk) 00:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

But it also said (not specificly) that they will do some songs with Christian values in them but their not going to be devoted to that genre. So their still somewhat Christian rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.146.211 (talk) 16:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I wrote that sentence, and I can see your concern, but I'm having a hard time thinking of what to put there instead. Liscobeck (talk) 04:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protect?
Is there any way we could get a temporary semi-protect on this article? Anonymous editor(s) keep reverting the changes to the genre that were agreed upon here, and it's getting old real fast. Personally, I think it's all the same person (maybe an editor who wasn't happy with the result of the discussion) that's been doing all the reverting, but their IP address keeps changing so I don't know how much help warnings or a block would be. —Mears man (talk) 23:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. We need a semi-protection. Otherwise individuals continue to think they own this article and add disputed, false content123.242.230.163 (talk) 00:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hah, funny how the semi-protect would only affect you and not any of us. -- p b r ok s 1 3 talk? 04:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Just in case someone out there didn't notice (and for future reference, I suppose), I did manage to get the article semi-protected for one week. Hopefully this will cut down on the problems we've been having, and if things start up again after the protection has expired we can always see if we can get the protection reinstated. —Mears man (talk) 04:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you all changing the article again? I personally think didputed is fine. 84.16.230.15 (talk) 04:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No, we are not discussing changing the genre at this time. We were having some difficulty enforcing the decision to keep the genre listed as disputed, though, so we did have to get the article semi-protected.  Personally, I think we've been beating a dead horse with this issue, and it's time to just let it go for now unless something significant comes up in the future. —Mears man (talk) 04:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

If you don't want people to change genre's just ask Glasscobra how to block people from this artical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.150.73 (talk) 17:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Editing RE: Stephen Christian
Josh.p.d.b. (talk) 10:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Someone has changed whatever was previously there to the following.

"The second (Never Take Friendship Personal) was Man Vs. Man. Cities is more adult in the manner that it's about the lead singers journey through puberty, and finding out that he likes cocks in his mouth."[5][6]"

I am unsure what was there previously so could someone possibly change it back?


 * Vandalism is fun! I reverted, should be cleared up now. Tony Fox (arf!) 15:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Image?
Could we use the image from the Godspeed EP on this page? It has a close up of all the members, already has copyright clearance... kiac (talk) 13:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Modern rock
I'm sorry to bring the genre issue up once again, but this issue must be addressed. Some people keep adding modern rock as a genre to the infobox without discussion. I am taking it out for now, but are there any motions (with reasons) to have or not have modern rock as a genre? Liscobeck (talk) 04:00, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Well I sorta have a reffrence saying they are. You see on air1 radio a old CD review for Cities they called and a "Fresh new Modern rock band" And I know I have no proof that exists but they can't possibly be just Rock. House of Hero's is just rock but they sound much diferent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.148.39 (talk) 02:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh! I've just been struck by insperation!If their not plain Rock and their not Modern rock and their not Hard rock and their not Indie rock then they must be Experemental rock!Its totally logical and I can't possibly see how anyone can deny that they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.148.39 (talk) 02:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That's great, 69.29.148.39, but we need a REFERENCE saying they are experimental. We cannot use original research.  Please back things up like this with sources. -Liscobeck (talk) 03:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Well man I'd really like to find a reffrence but I don't know any=/ But it is pretty obvious that they are and you don't need to reffrence it if its already obvious. Basicly, If somone has made an artical for lets say Lecrae. And they listed him as a Hard rock artist.Well then you wouldn't need a reffrence to change it to Rap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.148.39 (talk) 16:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

So we adding it or not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.148.39 (talk) 02:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Your example of Lecrae is not valid: I think anyone who would listen to him would know he is not hard rock. It is common knowledge to declare that he is hip-hip/rap.  However, with Anberlin, there is a very fine line between experimental rock and alternative rock.  What is experimental about them?  Has anyone else quoted them as such?  Most publications list Anberlin as alternative rock, or something around that genre.  This is why we need a reference for this genre change. -Liscobeck (talk) 22:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

They can be experimental rock because they have a sound different to most other rock bands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.75.4 (talk) 19:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm just going to jump in here and say that I agree with Liscobeck on this one. Unless we have a reliable source labeling them as experimental rock we don't need to describe them as such in the article. — MearsMan   talk  21:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been a fan of Anberlin for a few years now, they're my favourite band, i use the internet every day, hear/read every announcement the band makes (or is made about them), and i can say in full confidence i have never seen experimental rock placed anywhere near their name before reading this section. I've got to say, they're definitely more alternative than experimental. They keep to the general gist of rock, they just add their own edge to things, they're not totally out there like experimental usually suggests. In conclusion, have fun finding a good source for experimental, i'd consider it near impossible. kiac (talk) 13:44, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Post-Hardcore
Does anyone else agree that they could be post-hardcore?It seems like a good genre to add. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.151.200 (talk) 03:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You have got to be kidding, right? Go listen to them, go listen to any band referred to as Post-Hardcore (Enter Shikari, Escape the Fate, A Static Lullaby) and then initiate a *slap* on yourself. kiac (talk) 08:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Well they sound alot like emery to me and the're a post-hardcore band.And theirs no reason to be a childish moron Kiac. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.73.170 (talk) 21:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Post-Punk/Post-punk revival?
I've been reading the past discusssions and listening to some of Anerblin's songs, and I would like to suggest post-punk revival as one of Anberlin's genres. Please actually read the description of the genre before debating. 71.226.67.227 (talk) 20:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Origin of Name
Okay, i'm not involved in this, but i do see an edit war arising if this isn't discussed. I believe that because Stephan Christian has come out saying that those previous statements are incorrect, then it shall be put that way. If something is referenced, surely it is no longer reliable if it has been clearly stated to be false. The new version should be in the article, in my opinion. I haven't had time to check the references, so if that's the reason it's being reverted, forgive me for wasting your time. kiac (talk) 14:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If Anberlin is now settling on one official explanation of their name, we should indeed reflect that in the article. But we need multiple references to demonstrate that the band is now being consistent about this, and that they are out of conflicting name origins mode. If that's the case, the previous "incorrect" band name origins should still be mentioned, but explained as part of the band's earlier history of fooling around with the question. Dl2000 (talk) 15:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. So the section should be written like "Anberlin originally came out saying the band came from 1. 2. 3." then say "Christian has since retracted those comments, saying the band made them up because they weren't cool enough" etc. I'm happy with that. kiac (talk) 08:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I suppose I wouldn't object to that. The main reason I initially reverted the changes to the section was that I was thinking "how do we know this new origin of the name isn't just a continuation of the 'Conflicting origins' thing?" I don't think I have a problem with saying "they used to say 1, 2, etc., but now they've retracted those claims and say this." Hope that makes sense, I'm a bit rushed at the moment. — MearsMan   talk  16:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Third opinion
I am responding to a request for a third opinion.

User 79.75.105.144 (talk) listed a WP:3O request, saying "I believe the first paragraph should be written in the past tense but a member keeps reverting." (diff)  [ 79.67.32.105 (talk) seems to be the same user ] 

I'm not sure what was meant—was an alternative rock band (first paragraph of article) wouldn't be it, and 79.75.*'s edits to the Origin of Name section (example diff) indicate a preference for "had also stated" instead of "has also stated" (both are past tense). How can WP:3O help here? — Athaenara ✉  14:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * He's been edit warring, but won't post his opinion on the talk page here, to discuss. We just want to come to a conclusion together. He won't discuss. The section does need improving, he's right, but we need a way to work it out properly without deleting half of it, because it's notable info. kiac (talk) 00:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Singles?
I do believe that "Disappear" was released before "Feel Good Drag". I've yet to hear FGD on any station, yet "Disappear" is on all the time. The dj's even say that it's Anberlin's new single, and make no mention of FGD, at all. Just trying to make things clear. Oh yeah, and Anberlin isn't emo, they have no intention of being emo, and their songs don't mention emo things. They also arn't a "Christian" band, Stephen already discussed that in an interview awhile ago, on how they don't plan on being classified under that category. Sorry for getting off topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.108.120.243 (talk) 14:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Firstly, on the Christian thing, find us a reference to the interview so it can be used in the above topic! Emo talk happens in every rock band wiki page, ignore it. Feel Good Drag is their first single, Dissappear was only released through myspace, maybe it was a promo single, but definitely not a proper single. FGD was only released to radio on the 26th, yesterday, so that could be why you haven't heard it? kiac (talk) 15:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Smartpunk - Smartpick
Does anyone know where we can get a permanent link, that won't be expired/replaced at the end of the month? For the Involvement in christianity section. kiac (talk) 13:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Article needs improvements
I'm of the opinion we need to improve this article, citations are lacking, sections need be expanded and the lead needs improvement. I have no idea how the article is Good status to be honest. There's 3-4 paragraphs with absolutely no references, i may get around to marking the article with in line tags.


 * Remove Main article links, the exact links are all featured in the first line anyway, it makes the article look cluttered. Thoughts?


 * Expand lead


 * Expand Formation and Blueprints for the Black Market


 * Expand Never Take Friendship Personal.


 * Touring section, possibly. Big part of their music, exposure, marketing, etc.


 * Style and Influences section, definitely. Christianity could be included as a subheading. They've named a lot of influences, you just have to look through the sources of the current page, this link especially. Also here. Copies of original interview material here and here (just need to find original sources).


 * Here they state they'd sold 18,000 independent copies of CDs, prior to Blueprints. The WP article states that they sold 1500 as Sagoh. So what CDs brought the extra 16500 sales?


 * Anchor & Braille, needs to be put under side projects and possibly expanded, i know it's a bit hard because there is barely any info on it. It shouldn't be under history, as it's not a part of Anberlin's history, and considering it's chronological, A&B should be above New Surrender.

There's more things that need to be done, this is just a start in my opinion. kiac (talk) 06:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree, all these things should be included. Let's get started. 99.162.61.246 (talk) 15:30, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

(Elements of) R&B?
You can tell in segments of some songs it has an R&B tone, though Anberlin is largely an alternative rock band, I think this should be added to the page. --24.1.205.187 (talk) 04:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Find us a reference, even though i have no idea where you are coming from.. sounds rediculous. kiac (talk) 06:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Haha, true. I should probably leave it at that. i'm just saying if you listen to the verse in "The Feel Good Drag" you can (sorta) tell. But I'm making myself look bad. So forget it. --24.1.205.187 (talk) 15:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Disputed tag
I don't really want to beat a dead horse here, but are there reliable sources that say this band's genre is Christian rock? Before a disputed tag could be properly added the genre would have to be disputed by reliable sources, for example one source said their genre is Christian rock but another reliable source disputed that claim "Anberlin is not Christian rock but alternative rock..." I don't really know the situation here, but if there are at least two or three reliable third-party sources labeling them Christian rock shouldn't the genre be added outright? What Anberlin says is irrelevant according to WP:RS as they are a primary source and should not be used for interpretation or evaluation. It isn't common practice to add a disputed tag when the dispute lies within our own editors. For all I know sources may dispute Christian rock, that is why I'm asking. Landon1980 (talk) 03:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I like how everyone is ignoring this. I know for certain that several editors watch this article. Landon1980 (talk) 04:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There has been many disputed over this. If you want, you can read the original one here and the second one here. The problem is that many reliable sources list them as a Christian band, and many others say they aren't or simply don't list them as so. So its really impossible to decide whether they outright are or aren't a Christian band. The dispute tag (I am assuming you mean is what is already in the article and not Disputed-inline) isn't because of our editors, but rather because of all of the disagreements throughout the reliable sources. -- p b r ok s 1 3 talk? 07:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a link of a source that says their genre is not Christian rock please. That is what I wanted to know. Landon1980 (talk) 17:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind, after reading the previous discussions I would argue Christian rock doesn't belong there at all. Anberlin does not fit the definition of Christian rock in my opinion. I didn't see any reliable sources brought up in the past that definitively said their genre was 'Christian rock.' After doing a quick search myself the only way I can find sources that say Christian rock or Christian band are on actual Christian websites, which are biased IMO. Every reliable source in the music industry seems to agree on alt. rock. Does anyone object to Christian rock being removed and just leaving the section it is linked to? Landon1980 (talk) 17:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Due to the face you've used "in my opinion" twice, I'd have to say that Christian Rock should not be removed entirely from the article but at least mentioned. BreakerLOLZ (talk) 23:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Take a look at the article, there is an entire section about it. Landon1980 (talk) 14:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

The link that references the definitive statement of the Christian section, "but I definitely don't classify us as a Christian band", is dead. [Bryson, Scott. "Anberlin Aren't Christian Rock, But It's OK If You Call Them That". Chart (July 12, 2006). Retrieved on 2007-05-01.]. Any ideas how to retrieve the article from another source? kiac (talk) 04:36, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

tooth and nail
As far as I know Anberlin is still on Tooth and Nail records. We need to fix the article to say that. Saksjn (talk) 13:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * They were signed by Universal Republic last fall, and are listed on their site as one of their artists. ''New Surrender' was released by Universal Republic. Tony Fox (arf!) 15:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That is correct, they changed back in August 07. Look at the references. Read a review, every single one i've read of New Surrender has mentioned the change to a major label. kiac (talk) 11:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Album personnel
Joseph Milligan: "We had never had a rhythm guitar player play on one of our records before. I had always done it all. I knew that Christian could pull it off." Link. Time to change those ticks to crosses, i just don't know where to put the reference. kiac (talk) 09:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Alt. Press Band of the Year
Anberlin have been nominated, who thinks this is a reliable source? k-i-a-c ( hitmeup  -  the past ) 01:24, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Joey Bruce and Nathan Strayer
I'm guessing this just means that they did something other than rhythm guitar, but after someone referenced a Joey Milligan interview, they're both listed as having worked on no CDs in the graph, which is a bit wierd considering they can actually be seen in footage and photos as being part of the band at some stage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AnberCloudy (talk • contribs) 09:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * They were both a part of the band. But the Milligan statement alludes to the fact that he played all rythym guitar on each of the records prior to New Surrender. So obviously, neither of them did any of the guitar work for each of the previous albums. I knew this was going to be blindly vandalised when i did it. Yes i was surprised when i read it to, but it's straight from Milligan's mouth. k-i-a-c  ( hitmeup  -  the past ) 09:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it would be better to just list their instruments as unknown then. Otherwise people might wonder why they're listed there with all crosses next to their names. AnberCloudy (talk) 02:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it clearly states what was done, so we report on that (Milligan having played the Rythym). If it's that hard to understand, there should be a note placed underneath, or they can click the number (pretty easy to navigate) and read the quote in the reference. k-i-a-c  ( hitmeup  -  the past ) 04:40, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Former members?
Recently two people were added as former members, i researched both at the time and it seemed that there were no reliable sources as such, but they seemed genuine. Jerad Griffin had/has a solo project known as Rilian, refer to the Myspace username/title. This one is in no way reliable, but anyway i assume this is James Aceino saying he used to play in Anberlin. I believe these were both very minor members in Anberlin's history, if it is true. So, who believes they deserve addition?

ps. I think it's possible that Jerad was the drummer in SaGoh that Nate Young replaced early on. k-i-a-c ( hitmeup  -  the past ) 04:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

German imagery
What is the story behind this band's frequent use of references to Germany in their music?WDW Megaraptor (talk) 23:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you ellaborate? I think it may just be your interpretation. Ps. The name Anberlin has nothing to do with Berlin, it is explained in the article as a joke. k.i.a.c  ( talktome  -  contribs ) 07:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * They have songs called "Autobahn", "Cold War Transmissions" and "Dance, Dance Christa Paffgen" for startersWDW Megaraptor (talk) 12:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Christian/Alternative rock
Ok, somebody has been changing all of the genres from "alternative rock" to "Christian rock". I'm definitely a Christian, and have no problem with Anberlin having spiritual lyrics, but it was decided in a mediation that the main genre was alternative rock, NOT Christian rock, correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liscobeck (talk • contribs) 18:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know if the mediation actually came right out and said that, but I'm pretty sure that was more or less the spirit of it. If memory serves me, the mediation was to determine whether or not "Christian rock" should be listed as one of the band's genres, and it was decided that Christian rock should be listed in the infobox with a link to the appropriate section about the controversy.  As such, I'd say it's safe to say that the main genre listed/mentioned throughout the article should be alternative rock, seeing as it was debated whether Christian rock should be listed at all.  Oh, and just to be clear, I fully support the Christian rock label, but I still think it would be best to describe their music as alternative rock throughout most of the article. —Mears man (talk) 19:40, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I think their not Alternative but Indie rock and Christian rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.72.155 (talk) 02:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Just so you know 207.119.72.155, I reverted your last edit before seeing that you had commented on the talk page, so sorry about that. Still, usually a questionable change to the article is discussed and consensus is met before the change is made and not the other way around, so I think it might be best to leave the article as is for now until we see where the discussion leads us.  Is there any argument you can make or reason you can give why Anberlin should not be listed as alternative rock but rather Christian rock, or is it more a matter or personal preference? —Mears man (talk) 04:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

That's fine with me but I still think their Indie rock not alternative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.70.65 (talk) 15:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The genre should NOT be Christian Rock. If the band has said they they are not a Christian band, then I think that clears all debate over the genre. Religion is just another one of the many aspects of life that can inspire someone to write and create music. The band can only reach a larger demographic if the fans respect their wishes and stop referring to them as a Christian Rock band. Xenosagian (talk) 18:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * This isn't about demographics, it's about what they call themseves. "Christian has also said in an interview with Lightforce radio how the band tries to "step out of the bubble" and referred to themselves as being part of Christian music." and nathan's comment are pretty easy to determine unless one wishes to consider personal bias. 74.5.111.155 (talk) 03:31, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

The band Anberlin has said their selfs that they are a CHRISTIAN BAND I personally think that Christian rock should be listed as a second genre. --Stevedietrich (talk) 16:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Emo genre
Ok, a lot of people have been adding "Emo" to the genre list of this article and Anberlin's album pages. Did we decide that Anberlin was emo, or is that incorrect? I'm not thinking they are, since emo isn't really a genre at all, but a lyrical style, but people insist on it. Any thoughts? Liscobeck (talk) 22:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I think I've said this before, but I don't consider Anberlin to be an emo band, and I've yet to see any real argument as to why they should be labeled as such. —Mears man (talk) 00:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, so classifying a band as "emo" is really controversial. I mean, people mainly tag most bands as "emo" because of their fashion sense or because of the band's popularity with the "emo" crowd; not because the band adheres to emo as a music genre, which I think is what is happening here. Anberlin should not be classified as "emo"; their musical lyrics do not show it. Pbroks13 07:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I think yes we should add emo to the topic on a review on the album the band is meintioned very much as a emo/pop punk band.

Sticky sweet pop melodies, explosive pop-punk chord progressions, "sensitive guy" lyrics. Yep, this should all sound pretty darn familiar if you're a rock fan circa the early 21st century, as there's been an endless stream of bands (for years by this point) that meet all the prerequisites of the aforementioned checklist. And on their 2007 release, Cities, there are certain moments that you can definitely add Anberlin to this list. Thankfully, they don't specialize in that annoying frat-boy-esque shtick that some pop-punk bands do; instead, Anberlin can be quite an ambitious bunch that go the emo route. While songs such as the album opening "Godspeed" sounds like your average pop-punk band of the moment, tracks such as the acoustic guitar-driven "The Unwinding Cable Car" is emo at its most naked (and includes some pretty darn impressive vocal harmonies). But for the most part, the tunes sound like a hopeful trying to win over the judges in the latest episode of Rockstar, especially on such tracks as "Adelaide" and "Hello Alone." Nothing too groundbreaking here, but nothing cringe-worthy, either. User:skateremorocker

No, absolutely not. The so-cal "genre" of "emo" really is short for "emotive-hardcore". It usually features lyrics more focused towards depression, break-ups, or other such things. Anberlin doesn't sing about these things for the most part. I do not think this cliche makeshift genre should be tagged to this band. --Stevedietrich (talk) 22:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Anberlin discography single "Self-starter"
I'm not sure how to add a new single into this type of table. I have put a notice on the talk page for Anberlin discography. The new single is from the upcoming album in 2012 and is entitled "Self-starter". Threeperfectdays (talk) 07:16, 19 August 2012 (UTC).

Infobox image
I understand you want the best possible image in the info box, but it should show all members of the band, otherwise it doesn't properly represent the band with which the page is about. The picture in Hong Kong is a good image in terms of its composition, but it doesn't show the whole band, so please instead of reverting find a better image of the whole band with which to replace it with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtalep (talk • contribs) 09:52, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand what you're saying and agree that one of the qualities of a good image is that it should show all of the band members, but it should also be an image that shows the members clearly. The image that I have removed three times recently, file:AnberlinAcoustic2012.jpg does not do that. The lead vocalist, who is dressed in white, is in the centre of the stage with a bright light on him, slightly washing him out and making the colour balance off-kilter. The players to his right are in shadows and one is facing away from the camera and neither can be seen well at the resolution of the infobox image. Mic stands blocking faces doesn't help.
 * The current black and white image, file:AnberlinLive2011.jpg has a similar problem, but is composed much better, but the grey balance is not as extreme and no one is washed out, but one player is still in the shadows, but he is still recognizable.
 * I'm not opposed to changing the image, but it has to be a better image. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:23, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * And surprise, both images have been deleted. The infobox image was just deleted. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:47, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

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