Talk:Ancient Semitic peoples

Ancient Arabs??
This article makes it sound like all Semitic peoples, are Arabs. That's not the case. Arab, is not a standard word for Semitic people, and certainly not historically either, and shouldn't be used frequently as standard terminology for Semitic peoples, just because the majority of Semitic peoples today identify as Arabs. Labelling all early Semitic people as Arabs, is not only POV, but also historical revisionism. I suggest reading this article, though not exactly written unbiased, gives a somewhat better perspective: Origin and Identity of the Arabs Also, Arabs are not the least ancient. &mdash; EliasAlucard|Talk 18:11 09 Aug, 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, half of the people mentioned are not related to Ancient Arabs. However, I think it should be organized, instead of forwarded to Semites, because the term Semites is not accepeted by many Arabs. Also the article listed references, the article you posted is a Jewish stub! (Imninalu), which makes think Anti-Arab (logical right?) The article wants to link the Arabs to the YUemenis and Syrians! great thats the Biblical Jewish opinion, ntil recent times Jews considered the Rabs their immedieate ancient enemies in Edom and Aram. When the whole near east including the Hebrews temesleves came from the Arabian peninsula--Skatewalk 21:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, I agree, that Imninalu.net isn't the most unbiased source available. But look, ancient Arabs, and labelling all these ancient peoples as Arabs, that's not all right with me (some of them are my forefathers, and I refuse to take such insults as calling my forefathers "Arabs", considering what they're doing to Assyrians in Iraq right now ). Now look, Ancient Semites, is a better title for this page, since it deals with Semitic peoples in general, of ancient times. Here's my suggestion: keep the title Ancient Arabs, and remove over half of the non-Arabic Semitic peoples, or keep the title Ancient Semites, and make it more NPOV. Also, redirect properly, by moving. &mdash; EliasAlucard|Talk 00:18 10 Aug, 2007 (UTC)
 * Elias, I strongly disagree with the whole article, but I don't like the Anti-Arab attacks. And quoting Imninalu is offensive. I suggest that you start an article about Ancient Semites. Myself I will not edit it. Thats the temporary solution for this issue now, until the Jews and Arabs make peace then we can quote imninalu! --Skatewalk 22:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, linking to imninalu is just a little "NPOV" perspective, not saying that site is speaking the absolute truth. It's just an external link anyway, not like it's a reference. By the way, what are we going to do with the actual article? No more edits or redirects until we've reached a consensus. Deal? &mdash; EliasAlucard|Talk 00:56 10 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

Elias yourself a dedicated Assyrianist you should respect other peoples history. I ignored many claims by Assyrianist that the Arabs were just a tribe among the Arameans Just because a tribe called Aribi were among the Aramena allies!(I never edited it, because its part of the Assyrian history). And I am pretty sure you have your own identity problems with strong headed opnions vs the Anti Assyrianist Arameans. I see a big diiference between Ancient Arabs and Ancient Semites. and the articles should look different. (you can use the biblical geneology for Semites). However, Arabs have their own identity (many Arabs reject the Judeo-Islamic Semitism imposed upon the Arabs. Assyrians and Chrisian Arabs might share the same religion and close DNA, but the Arab identity is an important difference that should be respected by both. You can quote the Bible, I will quote the Hamdani and Arab historians.


 * I think you should improve the ancient Semites page you created, because you know about it more than me and you will look at it from a Semitic POV.

--Skatewalk 22:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I fix the Ancient Arab page in a way it distinguishes between Arab and the modern Christian Arameans/Assyrians, Jews (myself I want this to be clear and I emphasize on ethnic Arab identity that comes from the desert. I strongly disagree with considering Assyrians Arabs because they were culturally NON-Arabs and today they clearly identify themselves as a NON Arab group _despite what their ethnic origin was_)
 * For starters, stop calling me an "Assyrianist". There's is no such thing as "Christian Arabs". They are just Arabized Christians. That is not the same thing. Arab, is a race, just like Japanese is a race. You don't become an Arab, by speaking Arabic. I would like to see you provide source for these DNA test; Assyrians have a unique DNA profile that distinguishes them from all other peoples; Arabs included (source: ). Also, you do not redirect articles by editing a #redirect title because by doing so, you disregard the entire history of the article. You move the article when you want to redirect it. Since you're new here on Wikipedia, how about you get yourself acquainted with the welcome note I added on your talk page? As for this article, I agree with Garzo, that it should be merged with the Semites article, or Arab article. Pick which one you want. There's no need for having a separate article about Arabs being ancient and everything. You can fill it up on the Arab or Semites article. Just make sure to source it properly using . Thanks. &mdash; EliasAlucard|Talk 07:21 10 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

this would be the main article to Semitic, but most of the content was unsourced and flawed. Until someone writes a decent article, we can just merge it back to Semitic. dab (𒁳) 06:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's pointless to add "Ancient" in front of Semitic. Semitic peoples are ancient. No need to be extra clear. &mdash; EliasAlucard|Talk 13:28 10 Aug, 2007 (UTC)