Talk:And Their Name Was Treason/GA1

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Reviewer: Вик Ретлхед (talk · contribs) 00:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Intro
 * is the debut studio album by American metalcore band A Day to Remember.
 * released on May 10, 2005 through Indianola Records.
 * The album was the band's second and final release under Indianola, following their EP released the previous year.
 * The band didn't release anything else on Indianola apart from the album. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 17:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * The success of the record led the group sign to Victory Records.
 * Several songs on the album were written during the band members' teenage years.
 * The band toured in the United States to help promote the album.
 * A re-recorded version of the album, entitled Old Record, was released on (exact date) by Victory.
 * I don't feel the full date is needed in the lead when the lead is meant to be a summary of the article as a whole. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 17:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * The reissue charted at number 16 on the Heatseekers Album Chart in the US
 * The band members later admitted that they were forced to do the re-recording. Can you elaborate why and who forced them to re-record it?
 * McKinnon later recalled the album was the most fun to work on.→not lead worthy
 * ✅ all above. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 17:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Background
 * A Day to Remember was formed when guitarist Tom Denney asked Jeremy McKinnon if he would like to join the band as a vocalist.
 * The pair hanged out with drummer Bobby Scruggs, who later joined the band.
 * During this period, both Denney and Scruggs were already in a band; Denney was in 2 Days 2 Late, while McKinnon played in All for Nothing.
 * Shortly afterwards the trio decided to form a band which was called End of An Era in their its week of existence. The name was inspired by a movie from a TV guide in Denney's home.
 * One day at rehearsal, a friend of Scruggs showed up with his girlfriend, who came up with the band's name A Day to Remember.
 * Scruggs' friend stayed in the band for a short period. He was fired after several instances of walking off stage mid-performance.
 * According to Denney, the group's original bassist and rhythm guitarist "didn't work out" because...(explain why) They were subsequently replaced by guitarist Neil Westfall and bassist Joshua Woodard.
 * Unfortunately, Denney doesn't elaborate why. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 02:37, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * A Day to Remember practiced in McKinnon's garage, who was living with his parents at the time.
 * ✅ all above. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 02:37, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Recording, music and lyrics
 * I propose to rename this section to "Writing and recording" since only a couple of songs are discussed here
 * According to McKinnon, And Their Name Was Treason was recorded "probably within 3 days"
 * The members later said they had "no idea" what were they doing when they were recording the album.
 * Speaking about the lyrical themes on the record, guitarist Tom Denney said that they were "all experiences that [singer] Jeremy has had, its all based on life".
 * the latter being one of the first songs that the band ever wrote
 * exclude [laughs] from the quote box
 * ✅ all above. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 02:39, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Release
 * unlink record label, music video, streamed
 * Since its release on May 10, 2005, And Their Name Was Treason sold over 10,000 copies in the Unites States with little advertising and no media exposure. The album's success helped the band sign to Victory for their following album.
 * The group toured in the US in the summer of 2005 to promote the record, along with other bands such as Caldwell and Orion. The tour continued through out October and November with Foreknown and Blessed by a Broken Heart as supporting acts. (if that's what they were)
 * Shortly before the beginning of one tour, Scruggs told the band he wasn't going,→Which tour, what was the reason he didn't want to tour?
 * Tour name and reason wasn't stated in source. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 01:09, 5 November 2013 (UTC)


 * "Reissue" instead of "Re-release – Old Record" as the sub-section title
 * re-recorded production? This doesn't make much sense. Instruments or vocals can be re-recorded, not the production.
 * USA Today in italics
 * ✅ all above. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 01:09, 5 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Reception
 * Must say I admire your decision not to include a rating-box in the section; although, it would be useful to mention the rating in the prose (ex. Allmusic's Eduardo Rivadavia gave the record 2.5 stars out of five and mentioned...)
 * Chris H. of AbsolutePunk said that the band has made "a big impression" with its debut album and called it "the heaviest" release in their catalogue. According to him, "1958" was "the heaviest song on the album", while "Heartless" was nearly a "perfect way to start the album" with its fast guitars and steady drums pace.
 * the Rivaldivia excerpt is way too long; should be: "bite-sized songs" which are combination of "extremely melodic chorus sections" and "depths-of-hell Cookie Monster growling".
 * Cite only at the end; no need for large song descriptions since this is not a "Music" section


 * Writing for Scene Point Blank, Kevin Fitzpatrick said the album was "a very frustrating listen" featuring "eighth grade lovesick lyrics". (drop the rest of the sentence, explained above) Although Fitzpatrick said that the guitar work on the album was "passable", he panned Bobby Scruggs' drumming for being "sloppy" at times.
 * Again, cite at the end.
 * ✅ Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 12:58, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Reviewing the album's reissue for AbsolutePunk, Blake Solomon wrote that Old Record wasn't "anything to go nuts over" if the listener already owned the original release. He felt that the lyrics were "a bit more honest" compared to its follow-up For Those Who Have Heart.
 * ✅ Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 23:04, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Punktastic review is not authorized, doesn't look professional, which means it has to be omitted.
 * ✅ Removed. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 13:00, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Not sure if the same can be said about Allschools reviewers, so keep them. Just shorten their quotes, and try some paraphrasing (gave you examples on #2, #3, #4 and #5).
 * ✅ Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 23:04, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Other notes
 * Chart positions→Chart performance
 * Personnel per booklet→Credits are adapted from the album's liner notes.

This is by far the longest review I've ever done. Will come back some time later to check how the improvement is going. Thank you for your work on this one.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 01:22, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey sorry, I was waiting for the GA review on For Those Who Have Heart to finish before I finished off the issues on this one. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 12:58, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The second paragraph of the "Reception" section needs additional corrections in order to satisfy the GA prose criteria. You're almost finished with this one.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 00:11, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I've sorted it now, if not, what corrections do you mean? Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 00:33, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

It reads fine now. I'm passing it.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 07:01, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 14:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC)