Talk:Andean civilizations/Archive 1

No Pictures?
Would be nice to have pictures of Incas in Incan clothes etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.110.245.150 (talk) 07:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Post-colonial cleanup
The post-colonial section needs to be cleaned up... it´s terrible and reads more like someones personal rant against westerners.
 * You're right. It doesn't follow WP:NPOV and it needs copyediting and references. It's been posted here below, if someone wants to take a shot at editing it, but I don't think it really belongs on the page until it's been improved at least a little.Mr. Absurd (talk) 04:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The rebellion of Tupac Amaru II in the 1780s was the first great tremor which shook the Spanish empire apart for forty years later. This was also the last time that the Incas could mount an effective bid in order to recover their ancient domain. Through killing Tupac Amaru, the Spanish Empire prepared Peru for a takeover by the small but powerful cliques of local whites. However, Tupac set the path for the latter-day nobility and the suppressing Andean culture against the native Indians. Once Spain pulled out of South America, the indigenous nation that might otherwise have regained its autonomy was headless, because the Incas had made their attack too soon.


 * Eventually some countries within Latin America claimed their independence and others had independence forced upon them. Three outsiders drove the Spanish out of Peru in the 1820s: José de San Martin, Simón Bolivar and Antonio José de Sucre. José de San Martin was an Argentine who gave recognition to the Indian nationality, acknowledging Quechua as an official language. This confirmed that the legal status of the ayllus, the Indian communes that had been the building blocks of every Andean state since the empire of the Incas and before. These provisions were shortly overturned by Simón Bolivar whose concept of “liberalism” had no room for the Incas. The concept originally derived from Rousseau and Adam Smith, allowed the new masters of the Peruvian republic to realize that the Indians had been destroyed as a people and were remade within a class of their own. Throughout the nineteenth century the petty Creole states took charge of the old territories of the Tawantinsuyu-Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia and Chile causing hostility between the countries. In order to pay for ambitions, armies, and parliaments which were primarily disorderly, they seized Indian tribute, land and natural resources giving them to the gringos as fast as they could.


 * Even today there are many inequalities and imbalances in the culture of the current tribes left in the lands of the Incas. For example, in 1990 elections were contested by two amateurs, Mario Vargas Llosa, the fashionable creole novelist, and Alberto Fujimori, an unknown Nisei agronomist. The smooth and intellectual Vargas had immense appeal for foreign dilettantes who did not know, or choose to ignore, his long antagonism to Andean Peru. (“I’ve never like the Incas,” Vargas once admitted in the New York Times; elsewhere he mounted sly attacks on the late José Maria Arguedas.) Peruvian voters, many of them illiterate Indians who would have been denied the votes if Vargas’s political friends had their way, were not so easily fooled. Despite a campaign budget one hundreds times greater than Fujimori’s, Vargas lost.


 * Within the city of Cusco, the Inca capital the city has grown approximately a quarter of a million larger. Adobe slums now climb its hills and the rainbow flag of the Tawantinsuyu flutters in plazas. Tourism creates a small revenue and little prosperity. Attitudes are now changing since Hugo Blanco’s pose, in order to help the uprising of the Quechua peasants in the 1960s. Even Mario Vargas Llosa was addressed in Quechua by local dignitaries, In Cusco, an Indian can get an education and a job without having to discard his identity and deal with the segregation of their people.

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They exist in the Cuzco  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.243.102 (talk) 02:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the Ayarmaca‎
Hey! If anyone knows more about the Ayarmaca‎ please add to this stub. I started this article, but would love more information regarding it since I don't really know much about it. I just thought Wikipedia should have some information about it since BBC mentioned it. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 15:34, 14 March 2008 (UTC)