Talk:Andean condor/Archive 1

Taxobox image
I'd like to suggest the taxobox image be changed to something more natural looking (ie, without the cage showing). I would have replaced it myself, but there is no more suitable image on Commons at the moment. Abbott75 09:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Andean Condor (3 votes) colab for Jan 08
Support:


 * 1) cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 00:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) hey jude. 15:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Comments: The 2nd last piece in an FT jigsaw puzzle. Maybe if we all chip in we can get it over the line. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I just wonder how many of theese voters read ornitological literature ? Since it been 15-20 years ago it was proven that Condors are NOT related to vultures, allthow similar size and feeding, I find it strange to read this article. Condors belong to the order of Cathartiformes wich has only one family - Cathartidae or Condors. This family consiste of seven speicies/birds only. And there are no link between Cathartiformes and "common bird of prey" - the orders of Falconiformes (wich consists of falcons only) and Accipitriformes (hawks, vultures, harriers, kites, eagles, ospreys, buzzards and honeybuzzards) - and all Accipitriformes belong to the family Accipitridae except ospreys who is a single-spieced family of it'own. To my knowlidge at least. I can't understand how the "vulturesyndrome" still seems to be alive. Condors have even been placed closer to storks then "bird of prey" in the taxonomical sence. Awayanoder (talk) 21:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Please read the New World vultures article. The stork relationship has been disproven for a while now and the current evidence supports an expanded Accipitriformes clade including n.w.v.'s --Kevmin (talk) 21:58, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

To Do list before FA
It's looking pretty darn good this one! I gave it a bit of a copyedit. Nothing is jumping out at me as far as missing material is concerned....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I just gave the article another copyedit. There are a few things that I think still need to be done (and I'll help as I can)...


 * I plugged in two cite needed tags. Hopefully these will be easy enough to fix.
 * In description, I don't like the sentence "The head is much flattened above" and did not feel confident enough to fix it.
 * Under the cultural references section, could there be some examples of stories told about the Andean Condor, as in the California Condor article.
 * Also, should a note about how the Andean Condor was temporarily introduced to the US in preparation for the California Condor release be added?
 * I think that the bird is on some coins and it probably is on some stamps too.


 * May add more later. I've got to go. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 20:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I wasn't able to find any specific stories or myths told about it. I did find that it was associated with the sun god, so I added that. Anyway, I think it's looking good, and so I shall nominate it for FA. hey jude. 00:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, if its not there then its not there. Good luck with the FAC. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 00:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Flight silhouette
I removed the gallery, but think one image that gives a clear silhouette should be included. I propose the image shown in this section. Samsara noadmin (talk) 20:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll leave it to Jude, but could this replace the picture of the captive bird with the Description section? Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 21:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Linnaeus??
"The Andean Condor was described by Carl Linnaeus in 1758 in the tenth edition of his Systema Naturae and retains its original binomial name of Vultur gryphus." - ??? Vultur Lesson, 1842 --Ben Skála (talk) 09:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Dead link
This link is dead: http://www.ecology.info/condors.htm. It appears in the 23th reference:. What should I do with it? The reference is set at very precious informations:, , and I think it wouldn't be a solution to delete it... --Gikü (talk) 09:56, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Vultur fossilis
V. fossilis is listed here under the synonyms section but is discussed nowhere in the text. As this is a poorly understood extinct taxon know only from fossils I was wondering what the citation was for placement here as a synonym, from what I am finding V. fossilis was placed in Aves incertae sedis.--Kevmin (talk) 19:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Vultur at all ?!
Since science for more then 15 years ago have proven no connection between condors and vultures (or any other bird of prey; (Falconiformes/Accipitriformes)I wonder if ther isn't a new latin name for ths bird ? And a new latin name can not begin with the obsolete "vultur". (Obsolete for condors that is) Awayanoder (talk) 21:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No matter the taxonomic relations the genus name is Vultur and it has no bearing on the lack of relation to Vultures. Please read the taxo section at New World vulture for a better description of the placement of this group of birds. --Kevmin (talk) 21:31, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Weight for birds in the wild
CRC Handbook of Avian Body Masses-Second Edition gives the following datas for Andean Condors body mass (and not for captive birds) Males av. 12,5 kg (range: 10,9-13,6 kg), Females av. 10,1 kg (range: 9,6-11,4 kg)

Ravens
I've removed the reference to Andean Condors following ravens for carrion, since ravens don't occur in South America. This is probably a reference to California Condors following Common Ravens. I've changed to corvids, although I don't know that Andean Condors follow corvids extensively in the wild.

Largest flying land bird in the Western Hemisphere?
Describing it as the "largest flying land bird in the Western Hemisphere" implies that there is a larger flying land bird in the Eastern Hemisphere. What would that be? WolfmanSF (talk) 21:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Even in the Western Hemisphere Wild Turkey has been weighed up to 16.84 kg (37 lb 2 oz), though this figure owes much to a large datapool as a gamebird, and it's much smaller on averae: males 7.8 kg (17 lb 3 oz) and females 4.3 kg (9 lb 8 oz). In the Eastern there are of course Great Bustard at up to 18 kg (39 lb 11 oz) and Kori Bustard reportedly up to 18.2 kg (40 lb 2 oz). --Anshelm &#39;77 (talk) 14:28, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * However, from the standpoint of wingspan it appears only the Wandering Albatross and the Dalmatian Pelican are larger. WolfmanSF (talk) 16:16, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Wrong Map
Im afraid the map you put in the information box (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AndeanMap.png) Is wrong. It shows Condors in San Jorge Gulf (good map in spanish wiki). The said gulf lies 400 km away from the nearest mountain. 190.31.134.136 (talk) 18:02, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point. This is a featured article and it's using a map that shows the distribution of the Condor includes temperate grasslands across the SE part of S.America! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.58.106 (talk) 19:48, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Despite the name, mountains are not a strict requirement for the occurrence of Andean Condors, and they occur (or at least occurred) in the lowlands both as accidental visitors, seasonal visitors and possibly resident birds. Notably, this can be seen from the south-central coast of Peru (around Paracas) and southwards along the Pacific coast of South America, and on the opposite side of the Andes (East Andean slope) where they locally penetrate lower elevations in eastern Bolivia (south-east of the Bolivian Amazon) and Argentina, and have exceptionally even been recorded from Mato Grosso and Paraná in Brazil, Paraguay and near the Atlantic coast of Argentina as far north as the Buenos Aires Province (i.e., well north of the San Jorge Gulf). Through centuries of persecution the range has been reduced in size, and unsurprisingly the border regions of its distribution were often the first to go (together with the relatively densely populated northern Andes, where the Andean Condor likely was widespread in pre-Columbus times). As such, they are now very rare or entirely absent from most lowland localities, but how much the maps should reflect this is difficult to say, and in any case it would only be possibly to partially show it on a map of this small size. Arguably more significant is the complete absense of any markings in the Venezuelan Andes near Merída (the result of an ongoing re-introduction program). • Rabo³  • 18:22, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Longevity
"50 years" is an understatement as there have been at least four captice specimen that have lived past 70, and the world will end on December 12, 2012. I also like to eat popcorn.

The oldest was the recently deceased 79-year-old Thaao (b. May 2, 1930–d. Jan. 26, 2010) of Beardsley Zoo. Though I'm a little cautios on the accuracy of that birthdate, since Thaao was reportedly wild-caught; the only web reference I found at the moment was this (scroll down to May 9... or use Ctrl+F). Of the other old specimen, the Guinness record for oldest bird was once held by Kuzya (кузя, apparently) of the Moscow Zoo, brought there with adult plumage in 1892 and died in 1964 (largely absent from the web, I only manged to find a passing mention here under "physical characteristics"). The other two were from French and Italian zoos.

In fact, Andean Condor may be the longest-living species of bird in the world, since the Guinness record for an 80-year-old Sulphur-crested Cockatoo named Cocky is disputed: it was a resident of the London Zoo from 1926 to 1982, and reportedly in possession of its previous owner since 1902. However, some sources are critical about those first 24 years. Therefore, the oldest parrot is perhaps 77-year-old Cookie the Major Mitchell's Cockatoo of Brookfield Zoo, whereas Charlie is obviously fraudulent.

--Anshelm &#39;77 (talk) 20:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Somebody please remove the part with the eyelashes under Description. Eyelashes are only found in mammal species, so I really do not see the point in refering to a bird not having them, the link is dead anyway. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.171.231.88 (talk) 17:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Not threatened?
I always thought the condor was under heavy threat of extinction.--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 14:26, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Andean Condor
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combined weight and wingspan
There reads: the Andean condor is the largest flying bird in the world by combined measurement of weight and wingspan

How are weight and length combined exactly? I don't know how to add cm & kg (or ft & lb). This sounds like original research, especially because there is no source for the claim. 88.114.246.209 (talk) 17:48, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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