Talk:Anders v. California

Some proper citations needed
Another editor has added some material without proper citations. I have left the material in, but this needs more work. Also, some of the material may be considered prohibited original research. Famspear (talk) 01:18, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Note: Citations in the form "2009-Ohio-3199" and "2007-Ohio-187" are not proper legal citations.

Also, the quotations added to the article seem pretty dubious. What is the source for the quotations? Anders' attorney walked out of a jury trial and left his client to the mercy of jury? Who says so? Famspear (talk) 01:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I may have to correct myself. For example, I found "2007-Ohio-187" at the Google Advanced Scholar web site. I'm not familiar with this form of citation (or I wasn't until now). Famspear (talk) 01:28, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, I have corrected some of the citations; it may not be Bluebook, but it's a start. Famspear (talk) 01:53, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, now I have moved this material from the article to here:


 * In that case, defendant Anders’ attorney defeated his client with his opening statement: “Ladies and gentlemen, after carefully reviewing all the evidence in this case, I’ve concluded that my client has no meritorious defenses. There are a couple of arguments I possibly could make, but they’d be frivolous. I’ll mention them to you, and if my client wants to argue them further, that’s up to him. You give them whatever consideration you deem appropriate.” Following his statement, the attorney then left the courtroom and his client to the mercy of the jury. The attorney case had simply filed a letter with the court stating that there was no merit to the appeal, did not file a motion to withdraw, and did nothing to distinguish any redeemable claims that his client may have had.

This material is highly suspect. And the Anders case involved the failure of an attorney to do something on appeal, not a trial. There is no "jury" when a case is presented to a court of appeals. Famspear (talk) 02:06, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

There is some argument that the holding by the Supreme Court was based on the Fourteenth Amendment and not the Sixth Amendment, but I'll leave the article as is (for now) on that point. Famspear (talk) 02:18, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Getting back to citation forms, "2007-Ohio-187" standing alone is not a proper legal citation. That is, it is not a complete citation. A citation to a court decision should provide enough information so that the reader can see the court in which the decision was rendered and the date (at least the year) of the decision. The article has been corrected accordingly. Famspear (talk) 02:21, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

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