Talk:Andrée's Arctic balloon expedition

An Artists Impression?
First up thanks to everyone who contributed to a truely fascinating article.

I have a book in my collection called 'Transport Pictures' by | Agile Rabbit Editons, one of the images appears to be an artists impression of the Andree expediton after takeoff. I'm unsure of the source of the image (I'm guessing a newspaper or magazine) as the publishers do not provide this.

I'm willing to upload a copy if need be. Graham1973 (talk) 10:05, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Graham - Two things, first the link that you provided above is broken so we have no idea what the picture is. Second, if you don't know the source, then it will be a good canadate for deletion as there's the need for sourcing everything.  Not sourced = deletion.  Good attempt though...  Dinkytown 18:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I've fixed the link in my starting post (see above), this points to the publishers webpage. I've checked the site and both the original version of this graphic collection & a subsequent release entitled '| A Compendium of Illustrations' are out of print. The | terms of use seem to require permission to be obtained before the picture can be used. Graham1973 (talk) 09:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Again - the links don't work so we have no idea what the photos look like. If you get permission for its use, thats great, but we first need to see what everyone needs to agree on.  Dinkytown 13:59, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Removed template
Apparently an anon thinks there are weasel words in the "S. A. Andree's scheme" section. There's plenty of opinion in it, but as far as I can see, the opinions are discussed as such, and are sourced. I've removed the template, pending some argument on this talkpage from the anon. Bishonen | talk 10:29, 28 November 2009 (UTC).

Museum
How can the balloon gondola be in the museum? They must have left it where it crashed. Perhaps a Swedish speaker could look it up on the museum's website? PhilUK (talk) 20:25, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've translated some of the museum's website and it does not mention or show the gondola, so I've removed that from the page. If anyone can show that the gondola is in the museum, then I am happy to be reverted. (Photos on the website show that the improvised boat and the tent were recovered by the expedition that found the bodies.) PhilUK (talk) 19:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a gondola in the museum. I would assume it's a replica as it would have been too heavy to transport the original gondola across the ice.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.185.55.86 (talk) 19:53, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

No use whatsoever...
...but this is one of the most fascinating, well-researched and well-written articles on Wikipedia. Superb work all round. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.49.20 (talk) 18:25, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * (Blush.) Well, I wrote most of it, so thank you. Bishonen &#124; talk 13:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC).

Lundström
Sven Lundström is quoted several times in the article but he is not introduced in the text. No mention on who he is or where he wrote in/for. Targaryen speak or forever remain silent 12:35, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No, well, the authors of the article's sources aren't introduced in the text, any of them. Do you think they should be? They aren't exactly part of the subject (=Andrée's expedition). In some Wikipedia articles, you'll get a little mini-description of the cited sources in the text ("the left-wing journalist X", "New York Times columnist Y"), but that's more where the article subject has generated some controversy.


 * The relevant information (IMO) about who Sven Lundström is, is in the References section. This article has a "short notes" system, with simple footnotes such as "Lundström, pp. 21–27" and "Kjellström, p. 45". For the books that these names and page numbers refer to, you need to look in the alphabetical "References" section below the footnotes. There, you'll see the titles of the books, with full bibliographical information. In the case of Lundström, there's also a small description of who he is, like this:


 * Lundström, Sven (1997). "Vår position är ej synnerligen god…" Andréexpeditionen i svart och vitt. Borås: Carlssons förlag. Lundström is the curator of the Andreexpedition Polarcenter in Gränna, Sweden.


 * (I haven't checked whether that info about Lundström is still up to date; perhaps somebody would like to..? I wrote it in 2006.)
 * I like this system, which is common in my own field, and is one of the standard systems used in Wikipedia. It's admittedly not the most common one in Wikipedia… but then I think the most common one is a mess to read, and makes references harder to find since they're not in alphabetical order anywhere. YMMV. Bishonen &#124; talk 13:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC).

FAR step one
I am plan on taking this to FAR but for now, this step has to happen first. Now the thing that has me ready to have this up for review is mainly because there are paragraphs in the article that are unreferenced. Examples of these being in the "The 1896 fiasco" and "The 1897 disaster" sections. GamerPro64 01:50, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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Citation needed podcast
Congrats, this article was covered in this podcast Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:32, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

1896 illustrated Strand article
I was looking through old issues of The Strand Magazine, and found this 15-page article from 1896, written before the first (1896) expedition, called Mr. Andrée's Balloon Voyage to the North Pole (pp 77–91), that begins with


 * By the time these lines are in print Mr. S. A. Andrée, the adventurous Swedish aeronaut and scientist, and his companions, Dr. Ekholm and Mr. Strindberg, will, all being well, have launched themselves in their great balloon from the northernmost point of Spitzbergen in the hope of reaching, if not the North Pole itself, some point very near it. Whatever may be the outcome of this latest of the many daring attempts to solve the problem of the Pole, …

and ends with


 * It remains only to say that should the voyagers have the good fortune to return, …

— the article is illustrated with many pictures (as was the custom of this magazine), and some of its throwaway remarks are interesting in retrospect. Shreevatsa (talk) 12:08, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

WP:URFA/2020 review
I am reviewing this article as part of WP:URFA/2020, an initiative to review the oldest featured articles. I have some concerns about this article: Is anyone willing to address the above, or should it go to FAR? Z1720 (talk) 23:49, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The lack of inline citations are a concern for me. While this was talked about in the 2014 FAR, I feel like the concern still exists as there are paragraphs and quotations without citations. This makes it hard for me to figure out which source is verifying the information.
 * There is a large Further reading section and External links section that should be evaluated for inclusion within the article or removed.
 * I wonder if some of the sources used are of the highest quality, such as "Damninteresting" and "Ku-prism.org" (is this the correct link, or did the link get redirected?)
 * Since you were the original FAC nominator of this article, would you be interested in addressing the above? Z1720 (talk) 14:47, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Z1720, no, not really. It's been many years since I wrote the version that was originally nominated as a FAC article. I enjoyed it very much at the time, but trying to spruce up old half-forgotten articles is my least favorite job of all on Wikipedia, as lazy as that may sound. Especially trying to research dodgy sources that have been added since, such as Damninteresting.com and Ku-prism.org that you mention. In other words, AFAIC, you'd better proceed to FAR. If that brings eyes on the article resulting in people updating it, that would be fine, but I won't be upset if it gets de-featured either. One point: I'm delighted that somebody has added material from Uusma's book (2014), an important source which didn't exist when I wrote the FAC version. Probably even more use could be made of it. Bishonen &#124; tålk 19:05, 24 February 2024 (UTC).