Talk:Andreas Papandreou

Tendentious Phrases and Wording
This entire entry is peppered with all sorts of ideologically-slanted phrases and biased conclusions. Anyone who has read objective history about Papandreou's administration knows that a lot of what is written here is "hero worship." Someone more objective needs to review, add, and edit this entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.216.154.2 (talk) 17:06, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

unfounded claims
someone wrote that businessmen withdrew their investments from greece, but he didn't cite any sources. I deleted that comment. Also, if you don't know english, don't write in the english wiki. the phrase "grafo istoria" shouldn't be translated as "write history", but as "make history".

In memoriam
For an interesting obituary on AGP, go www.parrisia.com 85.73.39.52 15:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Tone and citations
This article is in a complete mess. On top of being completely uncited the Political career section reads like a polemic against Papandreou. Terms like Fief, velvet coup d'etat, Peronist etc smack of POV gone wild. If citations are not provided for using these exact terms they will be removed. In addition the style needs major overhaul, example: He rewrote high school history textbooks to positions supporting the Communist positions on Greek Civil War Aside from being completely uncited did he actually write the textbooks? Many other examples have been omitted. Major cleanup is needed, as this section is out of control. Dr.K. 16:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree. Cleaned up some. Please examine and comment. Thanks in advance. -The Gnome (talk) 09:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. I checked and tagged some more points. We can either find citations for these or remove them in a month or so. Dr.K. (talk) 05:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Photograph : from Switzerland or Greece?
I'm afraid the photo showing Papandreou holding a piece of paper while speaking to an audience is from the declaration of "Pasok's Principles", which took place in Greece, in the 3rd of September, 1974 - and not in Switzerland, as currently stated. I will change the legend accordingly and provide source. -The Gnome (talk) 09:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Recent drastic changes without inline citations
I have reverted the recent changes due to complete lack of citations. Please discuss changes here before adding any new big edits to the article. Thanks. Dr.K. (talk) 17:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Read the article re: from American to Greek
Tasoskessaris, I appreciate your concern, happily that was not my intention. But if you read the article on the University of Michigan site - it is an academic, peer reviewed article - you might say it is pro-Papandreou. The article also says that, "He undertook to achieve a political feat of major proportions.". Also, from a Greek diaspora point of view, there is nothing unusual or derogatory about going to Greece 'reverting' back to Greek. The article states, "The national rebirth that Papandreou called for was coincident with his own rebirth as a Greek." That strikes a poignant cord with diaspora Greeks. In this spirit I hope we will re-introduce the extract and can adjust it to dispel any 'anti' interpretations it may sugjected to. Politis (talk) 18:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Politis. I have doubts about the paper being academic. Its tone is far from academic. It sounds more like an informal reflection on Papandreou and not like a rigorous academic study at all. Talking about Papandreou's body language etc., in my opinion, is an extraordinary claim which requires additional, academic, sources, to be verified. Terms like "rebirth" are not academic, but rather reminiscent of tabloid-type pulp fiction. No citations or references to other academic works are present in the paper. Statements such as:"The transformation had an interesting somatic manifestation. Andreas?[sic] gait changed, his wife Margaret noticed, and became characteristically Greek." are competely unsubstantiated without any support from external references. How did the author know that Margaret noticed? What were his qualifications to observe the change in Papandreou's gait? What exactly is a "Characteristically Greek gait"? Short answer: Greek stereotype-promoting nonsense. As far as the citation being peer reviewed I would like to see proof of that. Dr.K. logos 18:38, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The University of Michigan has a very reputable Modern Greek Studies department with the Kavafi Chair. The people teaching there, such as Artemi Leontis, are of international repute. In this respect, I doubt they would post a tabloid-style article for a bit of fun, they are a reputable department that, in a way, has put its stamp on a description of Papandreou. From a Greek diaspora logic, it seems a very sound and perceptive extract - you know, food for thought. It might be interesting to approach them. Anyway, I appreciate your academic argument, there is not much of it in Wikipedia. Politis (talk) 18:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that the paper makes some interesting points about Papandreou. Thank you for sharing that. Also thank you for your kind words. It was a pleasure meeting you again. Take care. Tasos (Dr.K. logos )


 * In any case, the material expresses opinions. You can quote opinions, if they are notable, but you can't just copy them on the pretext that they are expressed in a reliable source (even if it is one), to present them as Wikipedia's own statement. Plus, of course, you can't just copy them verbatim as you did; that's plagiarism. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Plagiarism: "a piece of writing that has been copied from someone else and is presented as being your own work". In this particular case, the edit had a direct link to the institution that carried it and the author who wrote it; ergo, this does not classify as plagiarism. Easy. Perhaps quotation marks would have helped. Otherwise, not interested in agenda-driven comments. Finally, there is logic in Tasoskessaris argument and I will not re-introduce the quote. Politis (talk) 09:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Recent large uncited additions
Over the past day or so two attempts have been made, diff1,      diff2 to add large, unsourced chunks of text into the article. In addition many of the claims such as "soundly defeated" are also POV and WP:OR because they are completely uncited and unattributed. They were reverted. Comments, opinions from other editors are welcome. Thank you. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 21:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

3rd wife
Why is there no mention under "private life" of his 3rd wife, Dimitra Liani, and a link to her Wikipedia page? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitra_Liani — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.95.181.134 (talk) 16:41, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Image reversed
The main photo has the image reversed, like in a mirror. This needs to be changed ASAP. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  22:48, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

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Recognition of Greek Resistance against the Axis
It would be naive to believe what Papandreou was the first to recognize the Greek Resistance against the Axis occupation. The Greek State obviously recognized Greek Resistance right after the war. What Papandreou recognized was the communist resistance groups which were previously considered by the Greek State that they were not fighting for Greece but for communism, instigating a civil war soon after the Germans left Greece and Greek rule was reinstated. Take a look at the article Greek Civil War.

I made the appropriate correction. Citation pending :) Nxavar (talk) 07:24, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I restored the correction and incorporated a discussion on the issue of the Recoginion of the Greek Resistance against the Axis Occupation into the main body (section Political career -> The "Change"), including the necessary citations. Nxavar (talk) 14:19, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Change importance for University of California and Greece WikiProjects
I changed importance for University of California to mid (student that became prime minister) and importance for Greek Politics to top (prime minister for many years, founder of a party that provided 3 prime ministers in a period of more than 30 years). Nxavar (talk) 09:15, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

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