Talk:Andrei Doroshin

He obviously wrote this all about himself. He’s a controversial figure who has attracted a ton of criticism for his mismanagement and greed with his COVID-19 nonprofit and is clearly trying to cover that up. Additionally, he is a 22-year-old, not an accomplished academic researcher as he tried to make himself sound. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.220.101 (talk • contribs) 21:07, 10 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Agreed — this article reads like a third-rate pharma advertorial written by a used car salesman. Sad to see meritless self-promotional nonsense on Wikepedia. 2600:1700:3ADA:410:99D:AB6D:690C:FEDA (talk) 17:14, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

NPOV dispute
I believe this article, while maybe on a notable topic suffers from a non-neutral POV - overstates Doroshin's qualifications and describes the controversies surrounding his work in a false light.

- Descriptors such as "philanthropist", "pioneer researcher" need to be sourced, and they make Doroshin sound like an established persona while his age (22) is omitted.

- The "Controversy" section of the article seems to argue that all the controversies were unfounded, citing a report that in fact shows that there were many discrepancies in PFC's functioning. It mentions the issues that weren't proved to be true (data selling) while omitting the ones where there is evidence. The article contains a wilful misreading of the report, portraying a false narrative.

From the article:

"The report concluded that contrary to multiple news reports, PFC and Doroshin never sold data and Philly Fighting COVID was never going to go for profit – rather, Vax Populi a separate entity was established to bill patient's insurance companies for the vaccine administration"

From the report :

"Questions about Doroshin's qualifications, the firm's "for-profit" status, and the PFC data policy. Dr Farley reviewed the language of the policy and interpreted it to allow some dissemination and/or sale of the data. Dr Farley's discomfort was was rented. There is no question that the City of Philadelphia should never have been so closely aligned with PFC."

"The Health Department had no clear understanding of the actual corporate entity they were engaged with - PFC or Vax Populi. There deficiencies placed the City at great risk. Most directly, there was existing and available evidence at the department's disposal, including the dispute about the Society Hill testing events, billing issues, questions about the company's finances, serious problems with data collection of the testing side and Doroshin's overall reputation among Health Department employees."

These are the discrepancies I found just from the sources. I am not from the US and do not know anything about Philadelphia COVID testing. I'd appreciate insight into this matter and help rewriting the article. Rostipe (talk) 17:06, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * The latest edits to the page were denied but the OIG report clearly states that Doroshins operation was sound and that there was in fact no sale of medical data and no for-profit change. I will make edits to the page that reflect these changes and add quotes to support this. He is a researcher from what I can find in neuro and has been working in spaceflight medicine. In regards to philanthropists, he did donate a sizable amount of funds to PFC and lost money on the endeavor.


 * I have removed the following section: "PFC subsequently came into conflict with the Health Department after a testing event on September 1st and September 3rd, 2020 was held in Society Hill, an expensive neighborhood with the highest average income in Philadelphia.  Due to the location not being authorized by the City of Philadelphia, the Philadelphia Health Department informed Doroshin that PFC would not be reimbursed for any costs associated with the event. Doroshin was told to change his focus to underserved communities to comply with the city's directive.  Furthermore, Doroshin encountered billing issues with the Health Department when they refused to pay for testing services from November 2020 - December 2020 stating discrepancies involving missing signatures on timesheets, paperwork stating staff was in two locations at one time."


 * This section is full of falsehoods: PDPH authorized PFC to conduct testing in society hill due to the large elderly population, they did successfully bill for these sites, and the billing issues with the PDPH was due to winter equipment, not time sheets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbsuridyKirk (talk • contribs) 12:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Article appears to be autobiographical
User_talk:Winstonthegrumpy is a redirect to AbsuridyKirk. As the first revision of this article states, "Andrei enjoys cooking, Jiu-Jitsu, boxing, and taking naps with his English bulldog, Winston."

Lowfreqosc (talk) 03:06, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Here's more background:

22 year old Andrei Doroshin is notable for being the CEO of the controversial Philly Fighting COVID organization. Here are a few articles from local news outlets summarizing his and his organization's notoriety:


 * https://whyy.org/articles/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-philly-fighting-covid-scandal/ (from Philly's local NPR affiliate)
 * https://www.phillymag.com/news/2021/05/01/philly-fighting-covid-andrei-doroshin/

Andrei and Philly Fighting COVID are also the subject of a podcast series:


 * https://www.npr.org/podcasts/1016994679/half-vaxxed-the-rise-and-fall-of-philly-fighting-c-o-v-i-d

As can be seen and read from the [Philly Mag article] and from the first revision of the "Andrei Doroshin" article, Andrei has a bulldog named Winston. User talk:Winstonthegrumpy redirects to User_talk:AbsuridyKirk. AbsuridyKirk is the creator of the Andrei Doroshin article, so this article is very likely autobiographical.

This user removes information that is negative, including well cited information, from the article in their edits. See this revision and its diff from the previous revision for an example.

The opening paragraph is self promotional: "Andrei Doroshin is an American entrepreneur. He was the CEO of Philly Fighting COVID, a nonprofit organization that was responsible for the creation of the first large scale vaccination site in the world for COVID in Philadelphia. Doroshin is also a neuroscientist that works on spaceflight medicine and the effects of spaceflight on the human brain."

Besides Philly Fighting COVID, Andrei Doroshin is not notable for any of these things.

In my opinion, this article should be deleted. Philly Fighting COVID is worthy of an article covering the story above, and Andrei Doroshin would absolutely be worthy of a subsection in that article.

Lowfreqosc (talk) 18:18, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Article states he's a grad student. June Drexel commencement program states he just graduated. https://drexel.edu/~/media/Files/commencement/2021/2021-Commencement-Program.ashx?la=en

Should we just take out the grad student stuff? There's been a history of puffery in his CV in the past. rsjaffe 🗩 🖉 03:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Research section seems irrelevant to me. Maybe bump the statement about being a psych grad student to the top, remove the "career" section container and move all the PFC subtopics up a level? I think most of the content here would be good as an article about Philly Fighting COVID, and that this article of a person would be a good candidate for deletion, so I don't know. Lowfreqosc (talk) 03:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Missing information
This article is missing a key component that the city of Philadelphia selected PFC over a group of Black, Standford-educated doctors.

"The city’s Health Department has said it is approaching vaccine distribution with a renewed focus on equity after its failed partnership with Philly Fighting COVID prompted questions about why an inexperienced group of college students was chosen over Stanford’s group of medical professionals with established inroads into Philly’s Black community."

It is important to note that a sizable amount of outrage about this event includes race and gender. https://whyy.org/articles/black-doctors-consortium-wants-vaccine-line-jumpers-to-wait-their-turn/

Originally posted on the main article by @TheDuckofHoward. Moved here by me, ARandomName123. I have no opinion on the content of this post, and am merely moving it out of the article. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 23:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)