Talk:Andrew Golota

First paragraph
The part of the first paragraph where someone claims that Golota is "best known" for certain negative events in his career seems a bit nasty. It also does not seem very encyclopedic. What's the source for making claims about how he is "best known"? I'm a boxing fan, and I remember Golota mostly for his awesome jab! I think the judgmental part of this paragraph should be removed.

Article name
Why the hell is this page here and not under his name (Andrzej Golota)? Halibutt 22:17, Jun 26, 2004 (UTC)


 * Because this is the English language Wikipedia and this is the name he is known by to English speakers. RickK 22:19, Jun 26, 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes, and Ko&#347;ciuszko is known to Americans as Kosciusko while Modrzejewska i called Modjeska. However, these were not the names of these people. It's not the case of English vs. original spelling, it's a case of original spelling vs. common mistake. His official webpage uses his original name in its English version and Go&#322;ota is still a Polish citizen. I think we should use the name he uses himself (apparently) and he's got in his papers, not the one used by some of the American newspapers. We don't translate names just for the sake of it, I believe you wouldn't move an article on Johann Sebastian Bach to John Sebastien Bach just because those names have their equivalent in English. I'll ask one of the admins to move this article to where it belongs. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 15:44, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)


 * RickK is correct. If you go to his official website at www.golota.pl, while the graphic has Andrzej Golota on the top of the English section, he is listed as Andrew Golota throughout the text. Therefore, the page is in the correct location as it is -- it needs to stay at Andrew Golota with a redirect at Andrzej Golota. It is not the same as John Sebastien Bach by any stretch of the imagination.


 * Thanks, BCorr | &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; 16:07, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * He is not referred to as Andrew Golota by his site, he is referred to as such by american boxing portals (check the source of all the info). There is a difference. Also, what is the difference between Ko&#347;ciuszko's name and the name of Go&#322;ota? Neither of them changed the name, both of them are called by the Americans in a simplified way. Does it mean that all encyclopedias should use nick-names rather than names? Let's move Adolph Hitler to Hitler or Fuehrer since that is how an average American calls him. Or perhaps we should move Wernher von Braun to Vinnie, because that's how his American pals called him?


 * I do not say that he is not referred to in America as Andrew Golota. What I say is that Andrew Golota is not his name, it is but a nick-name. Encyclopedias should follow strict naming rules. One of such rules should be to name articles after names, not nick-names. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 18:59, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)


 * Halibutt, you aren't "listening" to people's comments here, and your patronizing tone isn't making your case any stronger while you make the same argument over and over! Here is the first thing on the English section of his official website (please visit it before responding to my comments):


 * News: There will be no trial against Golota


 * Prosecution office in Sopot, Poland has dropped charges against Golota on the grounds that alleged victim's wounds were minor ones. It means that Golota can only be sued privately, not by the state's prosecutor.


 * The case in discussion is related to alleged beating of Jaroslaw T. by Andrew Golota in Sopot in March 2003. It is not known if private charges will be brought up.


 * Then you will see farther down this section


 * Andrew's working hard


 * ''- Andrew has been working hard for five weeks now. He's gonna start sparring next week. So far we're focusing on conditioning -describes Sam Colonna, Golota's trainer.


 * He wakes up at 5am and jogs for 45 minutes. We do medicine ball training, skipping rope and heavy bag. We work on speed and leg strength. I promise he will in top shape for Ruiz. - He's always in the gym on time, yesteray sooner than I was.


 * At least once a week his son joins him who just turned seven last Wednesday. My kids have come to the gym also and we did a little party for Andrew Junior. He LOVES his father! Andrew said many times he doesn't want his son to become a boxer but you never know!


 * Andrew is as usually careful about his diet. He never ate junk food but he eats a lot of white meat, vegetables and fruit. He drinks one liter of still water during every training.


 * He does not use a psychologist. Don King made it up before the fight with Chris Byrd. That was a typical PR trick. Golota doesn't need a psychologist, he got me. I can assure you Golota is not afraid of Ruiz.


 * Also, Halibutt, on Golota's official page you will also find these headings:
 * Interview with Andrew Golota by Doghouseboxing.com
 * Andrew already in great shape


 * I hope this clarifies the difference between your arguments and the reality of how he refers to himself. Thanks, BCorr | &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; 20:56, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * You didn't read my arguments either, did you. What I wanted to say (perhaps I failed in stating it clearly enough, I'm sorry if this is the case) is that the name the guy has in his passport and ID card seems more important that the name used by some newspapers or portals. I have yet to see a proof that either Go&#322;ota changed his name officially or at least uses the anglicized spelling himself. Other than that - I believe that this article should be at Andrzej Go&#322;ota, since that is the name he has in his documents and I never ever heard of Go&#322;ota refering to himself as "Andrew Golota". Do I make myself clear? Or are there still some nuances of my statements that need to be explained a bit? [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 21:34, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes I did read your arguments and I specifically refuted the ones that I felt were based on facts and not opinions.


 * One example: you said, "He is not referred to as Andrew Golota by his site (he is referred to as such by american boxing portals (check the source of all the info)" -- but he is called "Andrew Golota" right here on his official website http://www.golota.pl.


 * Simply put, you are incorrect, moj drug! BCorr | &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; 20:07, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Where has Halibutt been in the last ten years? Does he even know that The Spice Girls and Bill Clinton existed? Its not JUST SOME AMERICAN OUTLETS that call him Andrew Golota, its EVERY BOXING MAGAZINE, NEWSPAPER AND SPORTS SHOW IN THE WORLD THAT DOES. Besides, he may have never referred to himself as "Andrew", but he has never asked not to be referred as "Andrew" either! "Antonio Black Pink Lover Martin"


 * I admit that I was wrong, most of the articles quoted by his page ('though not the authors of the page itself) use the americanised spelling. However, this does not change anything, the guys still has different name. For me the americanised spelling of non-American names is sort of a nick-name. If so, the articles should have redirects pointing to the true names. However, perhaps you have other idea as to how should we name articles on wikipedia.


 * Using the abovementioned example of The Spice Girls: should article on Geri Halliwell be moved to Ginger Spice and article on Victoria Beckham to Posh Spice? That's how the media referred to them until the latter maried Beckham.. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 00:27, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)


 * Hey, he is known worldwide as Andrew Golota. Who are they gonna look for when they are looking in the Internet for, Adrezki Golota or Andrew Golota? Our whole purpose is to educate the masses and maybe attract more contributors. And Andrew Golota shpuld stay as Andrew Golota cause, if not, then Michael Jordan should be changed to Michael Jeffrey Jordan as well! Who cares about Michael Jeffrey Jordan except his family? Now, Michael Jordan everybody cares about. How about Madonna Ciccione? Andrew Golota uses the name Andrew Golota professionally, just like Madonna uses Madonna and MJ uses MJ.

As far as The Spice Girls, their real names became public fairly fast after tney became public figures. Trust me on this one, cause I was their #1 fan.

"Antonio Im in Strawberry Fields, the land of the....high lol Martin"


 * That's what the redirects are for, my friend. The page lists all the cases where redirects are applicable. Among them is the Pseudonyms, nicknames: Butcher of Kurdistan redirects to Ali Hassan al-Majid, Rev. Fred Phelps redirects to Fred Phelps line. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 09:03, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)

Article name II

 * This is English language wikipedia - Andrzej's common name in English is Andrew Golota not Andrzej Gołota, therefore per WP:COMMONNAME this article should be moved.--Vintagekits (talk) 19:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think I have anything new to add to what I already stated above. Thanks for the notification though.  // Halibutt 18:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless anyone has any objections I am going to move the title of this article to Andrew Golota.--Vintagekits (talk) 16:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Low Blows
I altered the low blows sentence to correctly state that Bowe did not claim to be hit once in the groin, but rather that watching the fight clearly shows several low blows from Golota. I'm not sure the exact number of low blows, if that is known it should be added.

Bad Wording
Changed "Golota's behavior did not bode well with the crowd who booed and threw objects at him as he walked off towards his dressing room."

to

Golota's behavior did not go over well with the crowd, who booed and threw objects at him as he walked off towards his dressing room.

"Bode" is not really appropriate in this sentence. I replaced it with "go over" so as to change the wording a little as possible, but the entire structure of the sentence could probably be improved.

bode 1. To be an omen of: heavy seas that boded trouble for small craft. 2. Archaic To predict; foretell.

The entire paragraph is poorly constructed, confusing, and badly worded, in my opinion, and should be re-written.

Perhaps this entire article should be rewritten!

Article name III
Following User:Pjahr's February 2009 move based on this, this and this, I'm starting this section just for review. Essentially, the article was moved from Andrew Golota to Andrew Golota because, as Pjahr stated in November 2008, "he is Pole". I've reverted since it just seems odd to do it after this many months without any further discussion. However, the article itself uses only Gołota except for the lede. Does anyone else think it should all be switched to Golota to match the sources we are using? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:01, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't understand, moved Andrew Golota to Andrew Golota? GoodDay (talk) 16:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * He means it was moved from Andrew Golota to Andrzej Gołota.--Vintagekits (talk) 16:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It should remain as Andrew Golota, as that's the most common-name in the English language. GoodDay (talk) 16:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * +1. --Vintagekits (talk) 19:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Nickname
I have added his nickname "Endrju", a polish pronounciation of his english name Andrew. Please discuss if it should be removed by any means.Arivald (talk) 21:06, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

clean up
I have done some clean up on this article. However I feel that it still needs a good deal of work.The article was riddled with things that ranged from inappropriate to untrue.Using terms like "floored" and "dropped" to refer to boxing knockdowns is not appropriate for Wikipedia. I have removed material about Golota "widely being considered the winner" of fights that he lost, as these claims are unsourced. Also, the claim about Golota fighting in the first ever boxing match in China is absolutely false. Boxing has taken place in China for decades and you can find verified, sanctioned bouts on boxrec.com. I can't help but feel that this article was not begun from a position of neutrality.Mk5384 (talk) 09:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

IS HE REALLY NICKNAMED "FOUL POLE", OR SOME, AHEM, MIDDLE-EASTERN POLONOPHOBE MADE IT UP?
At the beginning of the entry I read Golota has been nicknamed "Foul Pole", but in the short bio box on the right it says his nickname is "Powerful Pole." So what is his real nick? Did some,ahem, Middle-Eastern racist made it up Andrew's nick is "Foul Pole" or indeed "Powerful Pole"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.130.171 (talk) 03:11, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I have heard of him being nicknamed "Foul Pole" and I think it should be added back. I feel bad because I like Golota but that is what they called him throughout the 90s. He would have beaten Bowe the first time if he could resist throwing so many low blows. I was watching Gatti v. Ruelas, which happened right before the Lewis v. Golota fight, and between rounds 1 and 2 they showed Golota's locker room with the referee pleading with him to keep his shots above the belt. Obviously, this was completely common knowledge and we should add it back because it is history, despite it being a negative nickname. dj_ansi (talk) 07:31, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Return to Poland
Near the start of the article it states that Golota left Poland and has never returned. Near the bottom of the article it states that he participated on Poland's version of Dancing with the Stars, and his professional fight record shows that he has had some Boxing matches in Poland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.135.162 (talk) 12:06, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

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