Talk:Andrew Murray (trade unionist)

North Korea citations
I found the web archive link worked at the third or fourth attempt and after a long wait. Including the reference to the website of Julian Lewis is borderline in terms of WP policy, but while the site is self-published, the Conservative MP could be described as an authority in defence/security matters and therefore have assumed its admissability. Philip Cross (talk) 21:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

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Disambiguation tag
Hi! The title of this article seems clumsy to me. Wikipedia Naming Conventions (people) suggests: "Try also to limit the tag to a single, recognizable and highly applicable term". I think we should try to find a neutral and applicable single identifier for Andrew Murray. Some possibilities:


 * 1) (campaigner)
 * 2) (journalist)
 * 3) (politician)
 * 4) (activist)

1) and 2), while true, seem to omit a great deal of his activity, and why he is known. On top of that, 1) is slightly non-neutral. 3) also seems inappropriate as he has not actually been elected to office or attempted to be so, so my vote is for 4). Thoughts? Jdcooper (talk) 12:40, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I quite agree, but you missed out "(official)" as an option. Murray had held senior positions in several trade unions and in Stop the War, as well as a member of at least two political parties. The bulk of the article concerns these connections. Philip Cross (talk) 13:23, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that is another possibility, but in my opinion not a good one, as the word has many meanings and is itself pretty ambiguous. "(trade unionist)" would carry a higher degree of precision. Jdcooper (talk) 13:32, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 5. (apparatchik)? More seriously, I agree with 6. (Trade union official), in line with his occupation according to the article’s infobox. (Although the info box also gives his profession as ‘Journalist’, so that needs sorting out, too.) It appears he writes occasional columns, but so do people from many professions (e,g, academics and politicians) without them necessarily being described as journalists. However, for the past 30 years (according to the article: ‘1987 to 1998 and again from 2003’) his main employers have been trade unions and, therefore, since he has only been seconded from Unite, I would go for Trade union official. JezGrove (talk) 13:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * But then Article titles rules out "Trade union official" as being unnecessarily precise. "Trade unionist" is not perfect either, given Murray's other roles, but at least has the merit of being the most likely to stick. Philip Cross (talk) 19:54, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * In that case, I'm happy to agree to that then (though I would have thought precision would be better than vagueness for disambiguation purposes...). JezGrove (talk) 20:11, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * There's a policy somewhere that we should disambiguate "as precisely as is necessary, but no further". In my book, anyone who works to further the cause of a trade union can reasonably be described as a trade unionist. I'll make the change then, if that's three of us. If anyone convincingly disputes the label we can always move it again.. Jdcooper (talk) 22:05, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Clean-up needed
In the Private Life section, what are those weird pencil lines? Never saw this before on Wiki. Valetude (talk) 10:11, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I removed them out of irritation. However, according to Template:Citation needed span, I should not have done. Philip Cross (talk) 11:56, 10 March 2018 (UTC)