Talk:Andrew Nikolic

Controversy section
The extremely lengthy discussion has been archived at Talk:Andrew Nikolic/Archive 1

Conclusion:

Therefore, what I'm going to do at this point is to move the not-completely-agreed-upon text to another section of the article and remove the separate section (and tag). We can still continue to discuss whether anything additional needs to be included, but while that discussion is ongoing, BLP concerns would be better served with the reduced text as the status quo.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:08, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

- see Talk:Andrew Nikolic/Archive 1 for detail


 * OK. So let's try something else. Pdfpdf (talk) 17:50, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Proposed version: In May 2012, it was reported that Nikolić had reacted to a posting on Facebook by threatening to contact the employers of readers who 'liked' the posting. Nikolić denied making the threat.[1][2][3][4][5]


 * Current version: In May 2012, Nikolić reacted to a satirical article on Facebook by allegedly threatening to contact the employers of readers who 'liked' the article. Nikolić denied making the threat.


 * Trying to think about this fresh, with the possible exception of what sources you want to cite (just to avoid overkill), I'm happy with your changes. I like reported because it's more neutral and less legalistic than allegedly. And I like the idea of removing the word satirical for the reasons I stated above (even if I was confused). So, please post what sources you want to cite and we'll wait for others to comment.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:14, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm okay with the first four, although I admit it's partly that I'd like to put this whole thing to bed.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:29, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * LOL! (I made a similar comment about a week ago ... )
 * OK. In the interest of expedience, I made the change. If anyone objects enough to change it, I imagine they will. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 02:29, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. I'm amused to see that I am the one who objected! I've reduced the references to two. Pdfpdf (talk) 09:08, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Asides

 * I had wondered if this one should be added to the list. I think not. What do others think? Pdfpdf (talk) 06:36, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * No and no.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:29, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * BTW: Some of you may wish to look at the NewExaminer facebook page. And/or the Andrew Nikolic facebook page. (Or not.) Pdfpdf (talk) 06:36, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Conspiracy theories
Regarding the "facebook incident": There were lots of conspiracy theories around, in particular, that the screenshots were fake and Nikolic had been set up. Has anyone noticed a reliable source discussing conspiracy theories? (I haven't - yet) Pdfpdf (talk) 17:50, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm a relative local to these events and I haven't heard or seen anything other than a whackadoodle theory manufactured by very passionate Nikolic supporters and spread via hearsay, certainly nothing in print or anything even approaching a reliable source. Autumnalmonk (talk) 10:58, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Restructure?
It seems to me that the "Honours and awards" section should be a sub-section of the "Military career section" as all of his former stem from, and are a part of, the latter. Is there any practical reason why the table of awards should be at the bottom, disconnected from his miliary career? Autumnalmonk (talk) 11:33, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know about "practical reason", but yes, there are reasons why it's separate and at the bottom. It's for all honours and awards throughout his life. Yes, to date they are nearly all due to the 30 years he spent in the army. But note that there's also the SAPOL commendation (which I'm trying to find more about.) It's possible that may have resulted in a gong - probably a SAPOL gong which would be worn on the right side. And given how "on the nose" Labor are in Tasmania, he may well get elected, in which case he'll possibly end up with a civilian AO to put next to his military AM. And who knows what other honours will be bestowed upon him - he's only 50. A whole other can-of-worms is that there is a vocal section of the WP community that don't like ribbons; I'm fairly confident that if you put the ribbons in the body of the article, they will make a huge fuss. So, although what you say may well seem logical, I'm afraid there are other factors involved which are not driven by logic. Hence, I suggest against merging the sections. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, fair enough then. While Labor might very well be "on the nose" as you say, in my opinion it's increasingly unlikely that Nikolic will ever be elected. Becoming the subject of an international media scandal hasn't done him any favors, and he seems to be offending more and more people with other less-publicized behavioral issues- a pattern not at all positive given there's still 18 months to the election. Unless his candidacy implodes, he's assured of having the die-hard Liberal voters but he's making it increasingly difficult for himself to garner any of the swing voters or preferences. Autumnalmonk (talk) 13:32, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Great predictive work there. :) Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 12:52, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Spelling
Nikolic does not spell his name with an accent on the c. This should be removed. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 12:51, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

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