Talk:Andrew Symonds

Taunts Section
Does anyone have any objections of the renaming of the "Taunts" section to "Racism Controversy"? 121.208.193.157 (talk) 03:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Photo
Doesn't anyone have a good photo of Andrew Symonds that could be uploaded to his page?

have quite a few good ones. How do you upload photos? Lisadb 02:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Origin of "Roy" nickname
This article claims that Symonds is known as "Roy" after basketball player Leroy Loggins, not because of Roy of the Rovers. Any truth in it? Loganberry (Talk) 23:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * An rsc discussion Tintin (talk) 02:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Interesting... I wonder if anyone has a copy of that article? We can't change on the basis of a Usenet discussion alone, but it does make the "Roy of the Rovers" theory look a little ropey... Loganberry (Talk) 00:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought it was after Leroy Loggins too. There's nothing about it on his cricinfo page. Has anyone got his recently released book? It's sure to be in there. Dannow 06:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I remember the duds on channel 9 saying it was a reference to Roy Rogers - the (singing) cowboy. I guess he's got a bit of cowboy about him. but i dont trust the channel 9 clowns reasoning. ABC Grandstand4Life!!   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.136.44 (talk) 06:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

His book says it's after Leroy Loggins.Lisadb 02:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Eligibility
As someone who doesn't know much about Cricket, I read in the article that Symonds is from England, can play for England or the West Indies, but chose to play for Australia. I am not sure how this can be. I can't be the only one. Should the article be more clear as to how he can play for Australia?
 * Sure, one of his grandfathers is from West Indies I think. I think he was born in England, which gives him dual passport with Australia, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * He was eligible for England or the West Indies in the past, before he had played international cricket. Once he played for Australia at senior level, he was committed to play for them. The only way he could now play for England would be by residency qualification. An example of this is Stuart Law: he played one Test match for Australia, but is now a British citizen and could in theory play for the England team, though this is very unlikely. Loganberry (Talk) 03:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Its not all that uncommon to play for more than one nation - although not that common in recent years. Kepler Wessels is the most recent guy I can think of thats played tests for 2 different countries, although we may see some Zimbabwe players jump ship over the next few years. Here's an article on some people that have played for more than one nation... --LiamE 00:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It is in fact pretty uncommon: if we exclude things like the "ICC World XI" and consider only proper two-nation players, then Category:Cricketers who have played for more than one international team contains only 18 names, even including people like Clayton Lambert whose second team (the USA in his case) wasn't of Test status. Loganberry (Talk) 06:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh please see if you can be a little more pedantic. "Not all that uncommon" is a purely subjective term. When used with regards to something where only a couple of examples might be expected or are known it can be applied to a very low figure as in this case. If we were talking about hair colour or something it could be applied to figures of many millions. Please, if you want to try and pick holes in something find a more worthy cause. In any case that list is far from complete. --LiamE 23:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know why you (apparently) took my response as a personal slight; it wasn't intended as anything of the sort! Maybe my "It is in fact" was inferred as meaning "Oh you stupid person; how could you say such a load of utter bilge!" Probably my fault for using that form of words, but I assure you I didn't think of it that way myself. Anyway, assuming this Cricinfo list is correct, then 14 men have played Tests for more than one nation (ICC teams excepted). Given that over 2,000 people have played Tests, that's about 0.5%. You can add on a few more ODI players of course. Loganberry (Talk) 02:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * So much for giving up smoking. --LiamE 02:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It seems to me Loganberry has a point it is indeed quite uncommon. You were indeed wrong in the earlier instance. However I also agree with Loganberry there's really no reason to get worked up about it. We all are mistaken on occasion, no one expects us to have perfect knowledge of everything and if we are wrong about something just learn from it, accept that and move on Nil Einne (talk) 06:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

SCG Test 2008
As an encyclopedia, is the level of detail regarding his innings relevant to this article? I agree that the section on racist taunts is relevant to an encyclopedia article, but is the discussion on his partnership with Brad Hogg really that notable? While I'm perfectly aware that it might seem to be important now, perhaps we should use WP:Dust? DrDoogle (talk) 08:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Zinc Lips
Symonds appears in many photos with his lips painted white, quite striking. Anybody know anything about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.187.75 (talk) 19:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have heard him in interviews talk about a sponsorship deal he has with a zinc suncream company. Finding a reference for that would probably make a good addition to this article, as lots of people ask about it! --Shannonr (talk) 07:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.cricmart.com/cricmart/product_info.php?cPath=114&products_id=261&osCsid=fc9eb4fa6fe82f081db697dd402d9b22 In this moment Symonds is playing for the Deccan Chargers. It's evening, there is no sun, but his lips are white. That's an  odd  thing. 77.20.120.88 (talk) 14:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a very fragmented and sleepy discussion, but I'll try to wake it up. The white lips and dreadlocks have been alleged by some commentators to have at least partly fuelled the racist taunts Symonds received. While that's obviously not fair, parochial sports fans can be very brutal and cruel. I really would like to see more discussion of that very obvious aspect of Symonds' image in the article. HiLo48 (talk) 06:23, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Possible article improvements
I have done a little work on the article to try to improve some of the Manual of Style issues it had and have done some minor copyediting. However, I believe that the article requires more work to maintain it at the B class level and maybe take it to a GA. Currently not every paragraph has an inline citation and there is a whole section (Career highlights and world records) without citations. I'm new to the cricket project, but believe that a B class article requires at least one in line citation per paragraph (I might be wrong, I am basing that on my work on the Military History project). Also I feel that the lead section needs a rewrite. It is a bit vague and overly focused on Symonds' indiscretions. Also as Symonds is currently not in the Australian team the opening sentence is not quite right. — AustralianRupert (talk) 00:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone know what this sentence means or is intended to mean? "The stump microphone audio was removed immediately after the alleged incident between Harbhajan Singh and Andrew Symonds was released by Channel Nine." I suggest a full stop after Symonds and then a new sentence about whatever Channel Nine did. Spathaky (talk) 05:35, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Rugby league section
why is it in even in here? it's just trivia. LibStar (talk) 05:41, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I propose removing the rugby league section, it is a few celebrity appearances and not an actual rugby league career. LibStar (talk) 06:59, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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