Talk:Androcles

Judeo-Xtian parallels

 * 1) I made no reference to "St. Jerome and the Lion", tho it clearly belongs here: it's a barefaced ripoff of the pagan story, but i'm not about to do the research that keeps that from being WP:OR, and then have to labor over avoiding accusations of PoV.
 * 2) I suspect there should also be some discussion of "Daniel in the Lions' Den", which predates Apion. Apion knew the Jews of Alexandria, claimed to be an expert on the Jews, and hated them enuf to plausibly be as hot to rip off the Daniel story (if he knew it) for pagan purposes as the Christian generations following Jerome were to rip off the pagan one. In fact, could this have been a means of debunking the Daniel story, by making "lying down with lions" sound mundane rather than as obviously miraculous as the authors of Daniel and Isaiah meant it to sound? (Surely i'm not the first to think of this!) --Jerzy•t 03:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I don't think there are any ties between Androcles and Daniel (based on the stories we have of them). Daniel was simply thrown to lions and saved by an act of God, whereas Androcles earned his favor with the lion. Asinine17 (talk) 20:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Overly Complex Phrasing
I changed "a character, not unambiguously fictional, in tales that describe him as a slave" to "a character, who may not have been entirely fictional, in tales that describe him as a slave." I realize that this dumbs-down the sentence a little, but "not unambiguously" is an over confusing double negative. --l1nk3

It is also unsupported by any reference and therefore has no place here in the article. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 14:13, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Rewrite
I have rewritten the article keeping all the original material but expanding mention of the attribution of the story to Aesop and adding use of some of its elements in the St Jerome legend. In particular I have found supporting citations for these. This has allowed use of the attractive German statue (of Jerome, but not looking particularly saintly) in place of the png image. Images of this type are discouraged for all but a limited number of uses on WP. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 18:52, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

This year I researched artistic representations of the story and have added a new section dealing with them. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 07:47, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Seneca the Younger
The article says, "The earliest surviving account of the episode is found in Aulus Gellius's 2nd century Attic Nights." Seneca the Younger's De Beneficiis was published in 59 AD, and includes a reference to the story - " I have seen a lion in the amphitheatre, who recognized one of the men who fought with wild beasts, who once had been his keeper, and protected him against the attacks of the other animals." (Sen. Ben. II,19.). AndyB405 (talk) 18:26, 21 October 2022 (UTC)


 * This looks like WP:Original Research. Seneca mentions no name and says the man was the lion's keeper. You need a source that claims the story is the same. Sweetpool50 (talk) 19:58, 21 October 2022 (UTC)