Talk:Andy Freed

Rays navbox
User:Jrcla2 has insisted that, due to the views expressed in this essay, the Tampa Bay Rays navbox should not be placed at the bottom of articles about the two main radio broadcasters for the team, Dave Wills and Andy Freed.

This is silly. The navbox includes links to the main article about the actual baseball team, of course, and also includes links to a List of Tampa Bay Rays broadcasters and an article about the Tampa Bay Rays Radio Network. Wills and Freed are mentioned in all three of those articles, making it quite reasonable to conclude that the navbox would be a nice addition to their own biographies since they are the radio voices of the franchise. True, they are not specifically named or linked in the navbox. Neither are any of the Rays ballplayers, but as employees of the organization, all of those individual articles include the navbox so that readers can click from article to article learning about all aspects of the Rays. The same thing should happen here.

It's important to keep in mind that, like all essays, the "overlink crisis" essay cited by Jrcla2 isn't any sort of official wikipolicy, but only the "opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors". I happen to agree with the spirit of this particular essay, as I've come across articles with way too many navboxes stacked several deep at the bottom. However, at this moment, there are no navboxes at all in this article. Adding one (1) to indicate Freed's current employer would not qualify as a "crisis", imo. Dave Wills' article has a navbox for a college he was once affiliated with. Still, increasing the total to two (2) wouldn't constitute much of a "crisis", either. The essay suggests that users should "avoid using navboxes, completely, in articles that are only remotely related to the topic." As the franchise's official media voices, these broadcasters are most definitely more that "remotely" related to the team, satisfying even this unofficial standard.

So unless somebody comes up with a better reason to keep the navboxes off, I will put them back on in the near future. And, while I'm at it, let me say that there was absolutely NO need for Jrcla2 to throw down a ridiculously belligerent edit summary ("I'm willing to take this to arbitration if necessary") when editing the Dave Wills article for an issue that should be calmly discussed on the relevant talk pages. It's not personal; it's wikibusiness. Zeng8r (talk) 20:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It's been a week since I posted the message above and it's opening day of the Rays' season. Since there were no reasons given why the Rays navbox should not be included on the articles of the two radio voices of the franchise, it seemed like an appropriate time to go ahead and restore the box, both here and at Dave Wills (sportscaster). Zeng8r (talk) 17:31, 6 April 2012 (UTC)