Talk:Andy Pandy

Closing theme
The closing theme according to my memories is wrong. It should be:

[Andy and Teddy hop into the hamper during next verses]

Time to go home,

Time to go home,

Andy and Teddy are waving goodbye.

[hamper closing during next verses]

Time to go home,

Time to go home,

Andy and Teddy are saying goodbye.

Goodbye.

[Goodbye appears on screen. Fade]


 * User:Jhlister would you care to sign? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:22, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Goodbye theme in the 1960s/70s
Time to stop play

Just for today

Andy and Teddy must now go away

Time to stop play

Just for today

Andy is saying goodbye, goodbye, goodbye


 * Almost certainly wrong. The version at the top of the page is more or less my recolection, but it would be as much uncited as both versions here. 86.151.56.235 (talk) 17:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Original producer
My research indicates a different original producer. I can't find anything to support Lingstrom as producer. IMDB lists Boisseau as producer. Can we get a source for Lingstrom as producer in the opening paragraph of the main body of text? CzechOut 13:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[Pointless and prejudicial unnecessary comment deleted] 86.151.56.235 (talk) 17:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Andypandy.jpg
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 * Done.Number36 22:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

1970
Perhaps they were broadcast later than 1970. My father wasn't persuaded to get a TV until 1970 and I remember watching them. Anyone want to look through old copies of Radio Times? The Watch with Mother site reference says 13 episodes were made in colour in 1970. Perhaps they were the ones transmitted. See also Watch with Mother episode guide --Tsinfandel (talk) 23:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Episodes may have been made in 1970 and would certainly have been made in colour at that time, but 13 of the original episodes were filmed in colour for testing with the 405 line experimental colour transmissions. They have never been broadcast in colour for regular broadcasting for obvious reasons though the colour prints were used in the monochrome telecine machines.  All 13 colour films allegedly still exist.  One of the films was used as a demonstation of a (625 line) colour telecine system demonstrated by the BBC at the Radio and Television Show prior to the introduction of colour broadcasting (which would put it before 1967).


 * Deleting contributed information from articles is considered to be Vandalism:Blanking. 20.133.0.13 (talk) 13:37, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

When was the first episode?
There is a discrepancy between sources when the first episode was. My guess is that 11 July 1950 was the date of the first episode that was filmed in 16mm, and that 20 June 1950 was the unsuccessful first episode broadcast when the strings got tangled resulting in Audrey going home and weeping. This area needs further research.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:50, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Colour in the 1950s episodes
The idea of 13 1950s episodes being filmed in colour seems implausible. The cameras used in 1950 in Studio D at Lime Grove were three CPS Emitron cameras, previously used for outside broadcasts. The 16mm films would have been films of the transmitted programmes. i.e. the CPS Emitron cameras filmed the puppets to make programme, and the 16mm film camera filmed a monitor in the Lime Grove studio. See tvstudiohistory.co.uk--Toddy1 (talk) 21:50, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It would not be beyond the engineering expertise of the day to either mount a 16mm film camera alongside the TV camera, or (more likely) to temporarily replace the TV camera with a film camera. It is also possible that the episode was performed twice, once for the colour film.  The reference makes reference to kinescope recording for programmes that were performed live but not for non live.  Given the poor quality of kinescope recording versus direct filming and subsequent scanning, I doubt that the BBC would have opted for this method for any programme material that was never intended for live transmission.  They certainly didn't elsewhere.  20.133.0.13 (talk) 13:23, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has to stick to verifiable facts. Film cameras existed long before TV cameras.  Today it seems bizarre how the BBC operated at the time - filming the monitor instead of the actors/puppets.  But nevertheless that was how they operated.


 * Unless some sources can be produced for these alleged colour 1950s episodes, I propose to delete the mention of them. Is 7 days from now a reasonable deadline?--Toddy1 (talk) 19:26, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

No citations have been produced for the alleged 1950s colour episodes - so I have removed them as promised. If you want to put the statement back, please make sure you include a citation.--Toddy1 (talk) 10:40, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Books
I own about 10 Andy Pandy books, I didn't even know that it was a TV series. Someone more knowledgeable than me might write about the books?

Vera McKechnie
Removed her from the infobox on the 2002 version. IMDb lists her for the original live version from 1950 only. Philip Cross (talk) 17:15, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

the episodes of Andy Pandy in the early-1970's colour broadcasts.
the 13 Episodes of the 1970 series are


 * Andy Pandy's House (5th January 1970)
 * Hobby Horses (12th January 1970)
 * Scooters (19th January 1970)
 * The Trampoline (26th January 1970)
 * Jack-In-A-Box (2nd February 1970)
 * A Wall And A Hedgehog (9th February 1970)
 * Cleaning The House (16th February 1970)
 * Tricycles (23rd February 1970)
 * Looby Loo Has A Cold (2nd March 1970)
 * The Jeep (9th March 1970)
 * Tea Party (16th March 1970)
 * Red Engine (23rd March 1970)
 * Sailing Boats (30th March 1970)

Looby Loo song
Does anyone know whether the song "Here we go Looby Loo..." was written for this show, or whether it was an existing traditional children's song used by the show? This US article says that "Here We Go Looby Loo" is "a song from the British TV show "Andy Pandy." Looby Loo was a rag doll who sang this song on the show. She would only come to life when Andy Pandy and Teddy weren't around. Looby Loo swept and dusted and she would sing her special song while she danced and played. This song became popular and found its way into American song books for children."  But, this says: "Words & music: traditional". Certainly, the song was widely known from the 1950s onwards (if not before), and hit pop versions were recorded by Johnny Thunder (US) and Frankie Vaughan (UK). It seems more likely to me that the character was named after an existing traditional song, rather than the song being written for the character. Either way, if we can find good sources, I would have thought the song should have an article on its own. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:36, 7 January 2015 (UTC) Ha! Answering my own question.... this source has it as a traditional children's game recorded in various places in Britain, with the Doncaster version using the same tune as the show used. Article needed! Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:44, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The version offered by "Miss Winfield, Nottingham" looks the closest to me, although only the Belfast version seems to have "Saturday night". The Donny version features lubins, whatever they might be!! But do these collected versions have reliable dates? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:08, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of, but I've pinged, who is the expert around these parts...  Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * See also this, this, this...  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:06, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * And this, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:14, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Definitely the Looby Loo song is older, though it may have been called something else in its early form. I found Here we dance lubin, loo in a book from 1884. — Soap — 15:27, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Alas, the YT link I posted in 2015 has now disappeared. Here's another, which I am hoping is not a copyvio: . Martinevans123 (talk) 16:18, 9 December 2021 (UTC)


 * might want to check out the links I posted back in 2015, such as this one. Its origins go back to at least 1870, and probably at least a century before that.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

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Contradiction
If the taped episodes didn't get made until 1952, the entire list of air dates for the 1950s episodes is incorrect. Someone needs to do some research. I wonder if BBC Genome has the answers? Digifiend (talk) 08:59, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

“Watch With Mother” information…
Saying that “Andy Pandy” was one of several marionette shows in the Watch With Mother strand is fine and probably relevant, but it just seems stuck in where it is, and makes a dog’s dinner of the information about Bizzy Lizzy (not “Busy Lizzie” as given) as that too was a puppet show, not “drawn” as stated (were that the case it probably shouldn’t be mentioned here at all). Jock123 (talk) 18:17, 12 July 2018 (UTC)