Talk:Angampora/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 07:10, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I will review this soon.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:10, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Infobox
 * Add Olympic sport no --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * WP:LEAD
 * This LEAD tells me more about related styles than the style itself. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:27, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the confusion occurred due to the word "variants". "Angam" and "Illangam" are two different techniques of Angampora. I've changed the wording to avoid confusion. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Is this a weapons, grappling, kicking, striking, or other style? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:27, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It includes all the styles. Reworded the section. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Is it upright or groundfighting? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:27, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Includes ground fighting as well. Sentence on submission locks should make it clear. I don't think additional details are necessary. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Do they fight at a distance like say Tae Kwon Do or is it in close quarters like Judo? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:27, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Perimeters are defined on the location; pits at times. I don't think there is a universal standard on this. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Is it hard or soft?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Soft A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Should this be in the infobox.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:35, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 16:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * History
 * No issues.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:14, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Practice
 * Pora Haramba and Maru Kala should also have parenthetical summaries. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:27, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Added A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * "Panikkirala, or fencing master, is the highest grade which can be attained" - enumerate all ranks/grades. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "Panikkirala" is a position, rather than a grade. Since the practice is confined to schools, the master is the "Panikkirala". I've corrected this issue. But there is no indication about a grading system. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * are rank signal mechanisms like colored belts, robes or uniforms used? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:14, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No, according to the sources. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please say so in the text.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:12, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 16:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Do traditional practitioners have a particular uniform? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:14, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sources are not specific on this issue. But I think the image should provide a general idea. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a commercial element to this art? I.e., in foreign countries, do people sell training. It might be the case that native training might not be the same as commercial trainging where people have to feel like they are paying for progress with uniforms and belts that signify progress (rank).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:12, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 'The art is still largely confined to a number of key schools. To avoid bias, I've refrained from directly quoting their headmasters, who appear in a number of news articles. However it is difficult to say the art is practiced in business-scale yet. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 17:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * "Both men and women learn to fight Angam." - do you mean All Sri Lankans? Members of a certain faith? certain caste? certain part of society? from a certain region? in the military? or people who are attracted to the discipline?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:14, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The Sinhalese language source suggests that practitioners have to be Buddhists. I added it to the section. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is this currently true or was this prior to Brits.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:13, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm having some doubts on this. I added the category because the article says so. But because of the recent trends, it might not be factually correct anymore. I think this has to be removed. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 17:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What categories are you talking about.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:44, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ''Not the categories in Wikipedia. I meant the category of people who are allowed to practice Angampora, according to the ref (i. e. Buddhists). This might not be true anymore. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 12:26, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Do most Sri Lankans learn this?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:14, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a reviving style, after a long period of suppression. "Colonial period and beyond" section should give an idea I think. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What I am getting at is can you find something that says. Today it is actively practiced by 3000 Sri Lankans or something similar?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:17, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It would be better to say the numbers keep growing. But I was not able find a source which puts a particular number. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 17:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please do.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:41, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Is it widely studied in any parts of the world?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:14, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it studied outside of Sri Lanka at all?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Difficult to answer. But there are similar styles in South India (ex: Kalaripayattu) A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 17:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Explain similarity to other styles in the text.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:40, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Where does training typically take place (a temple, a dojo, or whatever)? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:22, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Training takes place at huts known as "Angam Madu". This is mentioned in the History section. The graduation ceremony is held at an affiliated Temple. But the location of the "Angam Madu" may or may not be adjacent to the Temple. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:05, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You need to state that the Angam Madu were the place were all training traditionally occurred before saying they were burned. You also need to state if the modern day training all occurs in Angam Madu.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:18, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 16:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Does the style have choreographed training sequences (forms), a universal curriculum, or any formal training pattern.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:22, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sources don't give a detailed description on the curriculum. It is possible that some parts are kept secret like most other martial arts native to this region. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It troubles me that we can not find this detail.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:21, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Added some "Gataputtu" and "Pora Haramba" techniques. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 17:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have never looked for a link for forms, but please try to find one.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:47, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * General
 * Are there modern day organizations outside of the government that oversee this art form? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:30, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "Jathika Hela Angam Shilpa Kala Sangamaya", which oversees the sport locally is not related to the government. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Final two sections could be expanded or merged.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:30, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Merged the final section to the History section, because I thought it fits more there. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It would be great if there was more to add to popular culture.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Does this belong on either Martial arts, Sri Lanka topics or Martial arts by country of origin? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:27, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I guess. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Link this article as is applicable and then add those templates here.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:27, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 16:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The first paragraph of the history section could go under its own section call "Etymology", better if it can be expanded too.--Blackknight12 (talk) 05:44, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I know there are weapons used in Angampora, that could be its own section with some images. Could help expand the article too considering the last comment.--Blackknight12 (talk) 05:44, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * This is a very short article in comparison to some other martial arts that I am more familiar with. It is very difficult for me to assess whether the article is comprehensive. I will put the article on hold for seven days. Please respond to each concern above on the subsequent line. At some point I may even seek a 2nd opinion.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:22, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

http://si.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%9A%E0%B6%BD%E0%B7%8F%E0%B6%BA%E0%B7%94%E0%B6%B0%E0%B6%BA I have done several changes to this article but someone has undo them without any reason. If this fake article is going to be our English Angampora article, people will be belief in Wikipedia articles in future. Please pay your attendation on the matter I'm talking. I can provide whatever proofs for what I'm saying. --Angam 12:49, 2 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angampora (talk • contribs)
 * I, as a practicing artist of this art cannot recommend this page because this page contains stuffs which are not belonging to true art of Angampora. eg. Kathira Getaya, this is called Kathira Pudiya in chinadi and now most of teachers of the chinadi art have become Angampora gurus and changed their tamil names to sinhala. Other one is Velayudaya. Vel or Velayudaya is not the weopon they shows. It's a type of Hella which is used by God Katharagama. Sihala Article for this is available in below link.
 * I am failing this. I am uncomfortable with the breadth of the article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:08, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. if you wish to appeal this evaluation, you may submit the article to WP:GAR.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:32, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I was not able to find adequate sources to exapand the practice section and relation to other South Asian martial arts. Besides, there is an apparent clan rivalry, which is exemplified by the above comment by User:Angampora. I think there should also be a comparison between the current traditions, which is not possible to be done with the available sources. Therefore I accept the result for now, and will try to adress your concerns if I get hold of suitable printed sources. Thank you for time spent reviewing this GAN. A STRONOMYINERTI A  ( TALK ) 16:22, 3 August 2012 (UTC)