Talk:Animal Crossing (video game)/Archive 2

First paragraph
The game does not utilize the Gamecube's clock, contrary to popular belief, instead having its own clock independent of the Gamecube's. However, it is possible to adjust this clock in what is called "time travelling" by players of the game. Later in article: Animal Crossing uses the GameCube's internal clock to check the date.

Which is correct? AEton 23:30, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * The second paragraph is correct. The game can't have it's own clock because you can't put a clock into a disc, atleast not that I know of. But although it uses the Gamecube's internal clock you can have the game set ahead or behind it, the game just remembers how far ahead or behind the Gamecube's clock it is.Annoynismos —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.66.94.140 (talk • contribs).


 * No!The 1st is.It reads the clock and sets it as a default time,although the clock can be internaly changed. IE,its is 1:30,it saays it is 130 by dafault but you can still change it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.169.44.28 (talk • contribs).


 * uh... what? it IS NOT independent of the gamecube's clock. it bases the time off of it. so if the time in the game is 3:30 and the gamecube's is 5:30, changing it to 3:30 in the Gamecube will change the clock in AC to 1:30. it's all relative. it is NOT independent. the clock isn't on the disc, or the memory card, or anything like that. it remembers how far ahead or behind it is relative to the gamecube's clock.68.107.96.136 22:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Suggestions for Improvement
Well, I decided to get the ball rolling and start this. What can be added to make this a featured article? -- A Link to the Past 04:35, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

SPAM Cleanup.
I removed all external, unoffical links except for the one, most popular fansite (which I labled as a fansite) and the GameFAQs link. Also, moved the official links to the top (and deleted a redundant official link).

If anyone wishes to add another unofficial fansite, please discuss it here in Talk first. Wiki is not for SPAM. Thank you. 71.244.170.75 13:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, GameFAQs links are fine. Otherwise there would not be a Template:GameFAQs to put them. -- ReyBrujo 18:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * err... I said I removed all the links 'except' for one fansite and the GameFAQs link... 71.244.170.75 19:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops! Sorry for the misunderstanding. -- ReyBrujo 19:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Fansites
Who got rid of all the fansites? Different fansites have different purposes and different content, it would be nice to see them all. Instead you leave only one that's rarely updated compared to some others. This isn't fair to other sites, which in my opinion are even better than the sites you have left. Why would a fan of the game only want to see one site? Please put them all back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.183.128.42 (talk • contribs).


 * I propose the External Links section is broken down into different sections (I have seen this before where they had a fansite section, an official section, etc.). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.183.128.42 (talk • contribs).


 * (whoops... didnt see that discussion above mine, well it's hard to tell what that was for, so I guess mine is ok too.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.183.128.42 (talk • contribs).


 * You mean Animal Crossing Community? No, that fansite is updated all the time, and has over 60,000 members (I think). It also includes some sections, with a Animal Crossing and Animal Crossing: Wild World catalog, a Feng Shui guide, an event calender, an e-reader cards section and a section with all the characters and information on special characters, and this is all for the unregistered users. Registered users can use the Pattern Maker, the friend code trading section and the Trading Post. Most of the other websites posted had some of what ACC had but not all, and ACC includes everything.


 * Please also check Wikipedia: External Links to see what should and shouldn't be included on the External links section. - ChadyWady|Talk


 * ACC first of all has a so-so forum and the site is rarely updated with news (by that I mean there a many more sites that are updated more). Also, why should this one site get the place?  Another thing, I clicked the link about External Links and they were all fine. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.182.72.102 (talk • contribs).


 * Look how these External Links are set up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Crossing:_Wild_World
 * That's how it should be here too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.182.72.102 (talk • contribs).


 * "ACC first of all has a so-so forum wand the site is rarely updated with news."
 * ACC been updated so much, it doesn't really need any more updates. Plus, I don't understand why ACC is a so-so forum. I've been there for 3 years now, and it's much more moderated than some. There are also different sections to talk about Animal Crossing and Animal Crossing: Wild World. It also provides news on Animal Crossing. (see http://www.animalcrossingcommunity.com/Topic/470764/1/Animal_Crossing_News )


 * "Also, why should this site get the place?"
 * As I stated before, ACC provides everything all the other sites had, so there really wasn't a need for them.


 * "Another thing, I clicked the link about External Links and they were all fine."
 * 10. Blogs, social networking sites (such as MySpace) and forums should generally not be linked to. Although there are exceptions, such as when the article is about, or closely related to, the website itself, or if the website is of particularly high standard.


 * Animal Crossing Community and Animal Crossing Ahead had very good layouts, and are very helpful.


 * Most of the other websites had a very bad layout, no information on Animal Crossing, or the links were dead.


 * List of older websites:


 * http://home.earthlink.net/~chadpike/aceplus/index.html (Dobutsu no Mori e+ Guide): Not based on Animal Crossing.
 * http://ac-town.com/ (AC-town): Dead link
 * http://animalcrossing.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page (Animal Crossing Wiki): Probably used to promote the website.
 * http://www.animal-crossing.150m.com/ (Animal Crossing Walkthrough): Bad layout; many ads; just repeats information that ACC already has.
 * http://www.acadvocates.com/ (Animal Crossing Advocates): No information on Animal Crossing.
 * ChadyWady, 04:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well these aren't the only sites. I wasn't nesacarily talking about those.  There are a few specific AC sites I have in mind.  http://animalxing.com/ - This is an FAQ site and an AC community (forum and IRC).  And another one: http://the-bell-tree-forums.com/ - This one is just a forum.  It's nice because the whole site is based on the community and not an FAQ like a lot of them.  There are some other I don't remeber.  I know ACO is an older site, it wasn't up here before though.  I also saw project hyrule being discussed above.  For some reason it got denied.  I honestly don't like Project Hyrule at all, but it might deserve a place here because it introduced UCs and the code generator. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.182.106.75 (talk • contribs).


 * I will also look at these sites you have given reasons for not being in the catagory:
 * Dobutsu no Mori e+ Guide: This IS about Animal Crossing... however I'm not sure if there is enough info here... so maybe that one can go.
 * ac-town: This is not a dead link... I don't know how you thought that. (although the layout is iffy so maybe this does deserve to go)
 * ac wiki: dead link... wait are your comments above or below the link of the site? whatever...
 * ac walkthrough: wow... this site does have too many advertisements... this one should probably go because it's confusing and looks bad
 * ac advocates: What do you mean this has nothing to do with AC?  Hmm... this site looks pretty nice and my opinion, I say keep this one actually. (maybe... i dunno)
 * One more thing... what's the point of gamefaq's article if you're looking at the info in it. If I wanted to know who created the game, I could look at my AC booklet which every game comes with. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.182.106.75 (talk • contribs).


 * The site is perfectly acceptable. The guy pretending to be a mod should be shot. Relevant links belong on Wiki. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.75.198.6 (talk • contribs).
 * Please be civil. -- ReyBrujo 22:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Game guide
The article looks like a GameFAQ article, giving detailied information that is not to be included in Wikipedia. Remember that Wikipedia is not a game guide (8th point). I have removed a lot, but still the article is too focused on explaining the reader how to get things and when things happens than why the game was developed, which was the original idea of the game, and the commercial outcome of the game. -- ReyBrujo 11:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Relevant Information
I made some edits to this Article recently, mostly adding information. It has been pointed out to me that the information I added may not have been relevant to what a Wikipedia article concerning a video game should contain. This edit (by me) in particular I think may not be important information: []. Are there any pages on WP which outline what kind of information should be included in a videogame article? If so, could someone please point it/them out? Thanks. :) Dave 15:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Here, item 8 (as of today), it is specified that Wikipedia should not hold tutorials ("...if the player hits the rock between 10 and 15 times and their feng-shui rating is very high, a very rare piece of furniture may pop out as well."), how-to's (...players go to the train station and tell the porter that they'd like to take a trip. The train will arrive and they climb aboard. This saves "travel data" on the other memory card, which may then be used in conjunction with a friend's memory card to visit their town.), advice (she will gladly trade one of her carpets if given 3,000 bells and a new rug in exchange), etc. To give you an idea, a good article about Animal Crossing should just name the main characters (the real main ones, usually the ones that you cannot skip in the game), what is the game about (not how to play it), the background of the game, the developer thoughts when creating the game and the answer from the market (success, failure, sales information, marketing, etc). -- ReyBrujo 18:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Trivia 2
From the article: "The music players may obtain from Totakeke called Rockin' K.K. is the song Johnny B. Goode, by Chuck Berry. It is also used in some battles throughout the Mother series, most notably the battles against hippies."

What? The melody to "Rockin' K.K." doesn't even vaguely resemble Johnny B. Goode, the two songs don't even share the same chord progressions. 67.60.1.116

searching for animal crossing and getting redirected
when searching for animal crossing I am directly taken to the animal crossing series page page. the redirect page has only this page. The only way to get to the GC page or the WW page or any other animal crossing page is through this page. I think that this should be changed. Searching for animal crossing should give you all of the animal crossing pages--the other articles shouldn't only be available through more complex searches or direct links. TStein 10:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Move Animal Crossing (GameCube) → Animal Crossing
Move: This page should just be at "Animal Crossing", not "Animal Crossing (GameCube)". There is no need for disambiguation in the title as there is no other title in the series that conflicts with this one. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 11:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC) You might want to make your opinions known at this poll concerning a policy on the naming of games that are a part of a series. Jecowa 03:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, Animal Crossing is currently a redirection. It can be more useful as the original game, with disambiguation for both the DS and the series. -- ReyBrujo 14:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed per nom. --Niroht 16:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The passing of time has made this moot; Animal Crossing is now a disambig page. --humblefool&reg; 20:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone should make a formal move request, I would support it. TJ Spyke 02:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

European delay
Shouldn't there be some mention on the infamous delay of the European version, and the huge amount of petitions etc to NOE? --The last sheikah 15:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's very hard to get any references for it unfortunately. Which is a pity as NoE came up with some absolutely hilarious excuses for their refusal to release the title. My favourite is that poor sales of Doshin the Giant apparently meant Animal Crossing was a waste of time. Sockatume 01:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Grab Bag
I was wondering, why is the Grab Bag in the "Common Bugs" section? It was definitely put in intentionally, considering Tom Nook occasionally sells them. Red Alien War is Over! 22:07, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * This is really wrong. Tom Nook does sell Grab Bags--but they are different grab bags.  This is a bonus for people who use Nintendo memory cards.  The first benefit that you get is that it's less likely that your game data will randomly corrupt itself.  So this is really just a cherry on top.  It's NOT a bug, it's programmed specifically.  Now, there may be some common bug involved with initial game Grad Bag, but I haven't heard of one, and if this section is trying to explain one, it's doing it really badly.  I think I have a good solution though, I'll try and post it soon.TStein 09:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

wut r grab bags? --Coolgokid 03:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Move to gaming wiki?
I saw a tag on part of the article about moving some of it to a gaming wiki. personally, I see it as not something that belongs in a gaming wiki, but general info on the game that belongs on wikipedia since it isn't really related to gameplay help or anything of the sort, unlike most things that are valid to be tagged 'move to gaming wiki'. Could someone please explain to me why that tag is there? Yadaman 13:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's there because it's just a little too detailed. People who aren't playing the game or planning on playing it don't need to know exactly how many bells things cost. --Niroht 19:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It isn't 'exactly how many bells things cost', that actually was only the amount of bells needed to pay off your first debt, which is basic general info, which I also see in game reviews and even basic info on the game. I DO see, after a second reading of it, that it does have some un-needed info though, in the form of the further expansion pricing. I didn't see all of that because I had to go to school and was in a hurry. ^_^; sorry! Yadaman 22:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Archive
I've archived parts of this talk page, based on both subject and date. Happy loading times TStein 06:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Cleaning: travel
I'm doing some major cleaning of this article. There are sentences that aren't grammatically correct or make no sense, there's information about AC:WW, and lots of stuff.

Travel Cleaning


 * I changed the spelling of "traveling". Yes, this section of the article has now been spell-checked. :)


 * I removed the first travel method. It's NOT a seperate travel method, it's part of the instructions for a complicated cheating method.


 * I removed links. I don't know why "train station" linked to the wiki article on train stations or why "train" linked to the wiki article on trains.  Are you kidding me?  I left the porter one though.


 * I removed information on Japanese versions of Animal Crossing on the Nintendo DS. This is the Game Cube page, not the Wild World page.  If someone wants to put that information on the WW page, go ahead.


 * I added some information, or rephrased some information and I tried to keep in mind that this is supposed to be a Wiki article and not a gaming article.


 * I removed the line "Includes Nook's Cranny, Nookway, Nook'n'go, and Nookingtons." I have no idea why it was there, it made zero sense the way the section had been written and it didn't belong in the new section either.  If a list of all of the Nook's isn't in the article, we'll put it somewhere it makes sense.


 * Since Item Trading was a subsection, I re-ordered it to make it feel like it was part of Travelling. I also added Gyroid trading to the section.


 * I removed the info about Action Replay in the Island section. This isn't an article explaining how to cheat--it's supposed to provide basic information on the game and how to get around buying more Nintendo equipement isn't basic information on the game.


 * I made other minor edits to the Island section to make it read better. TStein 08:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Cleaning: Villagers
I didn't do a lot here. I removed some incorrect information about character bedtimes and replaced it with the correct information about character personalities.

I also changed, "For example, a cow might exclaim, "Macmoo!" to "cow might say, "moo-la-la" or "how now". I thought it would be fun to put in real examples of cow catch phrases that are cow centric. TStein 09:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Change of word proposal
This article uses the term "villager" to refer to non-user created game characters. But, we're using the term town, not village. I don't think we should replace the word town with village--town is the only word I've seen used. It's used in the game, it's used in the official literature and there has been no movement to use a different word in the unofficial literature.

But, I think it's bad to use the terms "villager" and "town" together. Especially as this is the only place I've really seen the word villager used. There doesn't seem to be a set standard for what term to use for non-user created characters, but the ones I've seen used most often are "characters" and "residents". These two terms are also often used together--"character" used in certain instances and "resident" in others.

I think we should make a decision as to what terminology to use. I would like to get rid of the term "villager" and replace it with "character" and "resident" as appropriate. Writing without using the second or first person has led to really clumsy language in large parts of the article and when you add imprecise language that often has to be clarified it just gets worse, often leading to long run on sentences with lots of clauses (like this one!).

So opinions please. Are you guys ok with "character" and "resident" instead of "villager"? If I don't get any responses I suppose at some point I'll try rewriting it and make a decision myself, but I'd like imput. TStein 09:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Move Animal Crossing--rejected/propose elsewhere
Animal Crossing is currently a disambiguation page for this video game series. It links to all of the articles on the video games and the movie. If you would like to dissolve the disambiguation page for the series and instead have Animal Crossing (Game Cube) be the be located at Animal Crossing, then that proposal should go there. I should warn you that not only is there no chance of the disambig page being dissolved, and even if there were, Animal Crossing would redirect to the Animal Crossing (Series) page, not to the Animal Crossing (Game Cube) page. There are 6 Animal Crossing games that have been released, four in Japanese and two in English. These games have been released on the Nintendo 64, the DS and both the American and the Japanese version of the GameCube. There's also an Animal Crossing movie, and two new versions of the game will be released this year for the wii. We've gotten to the point where there are enough wiki pages where this really needs a disambig page, and even if it didn't and we could still use top navigational links instead, arbitrarily choosing one version of the game makes little sense when there is a series page. In any case, this is the wrong place for the proposal. TStein 10:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It is not up to you to reject a move request unilaterally. Even if the move request is very likely to fail, it should still be given due consideration and allowed to complete the process. Where the discussion is held is not particularly important either. The request submitted to WP:RM indicated that the discussion will be here, which is not a problem. –  Anþony  talk  20:25, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * *nods* In the meantime I have changed the Animal Crossing talk page so that in no longer redirects here. Animal Crossing (GameCube) redirected here for a long time, and someone fixed the redirects on both the article page and the talk page in August.  Three minutes later the same user was the one who officially switched the redirect to the series page, but forgot about switching the redirect for the talk page.  And when the disambig happened, I guess people forgot then too.  Anyway, things appear to be perfectly straight now--just if you do switch things about, make sure everything goes to the right places!  TStein 14:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Just added more stuff to the first archive
I just added more stuff to the first archive. It's fully integrated, that is, it's in the archive exactly in the order it was on this talk page. I pulled a history version before the first archival to look at to make sure I was moving things to the right places.

action replay
This is supposed to be an article about the Animal Crossing game. It already focuses way too much on gameplay and the little bitty details. Getting to AR details is waaaaay too far. TStein 08:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

super smash bros. trophies
The release dates for super smash bros are as follows:

Japan: November 21, 2001 United States: December 3, 2001 European Union: May 24, 2002, Australia: May 31, 2002

The release dates for Animal Forest/Crossing--GAMECUBE are as follows

Japan: 14 December 2001 North America: 15 September 2002 Japan (e+): 27 June 2003 Australia October 2003 Europe 24 September 2004

SO, lets look at the calender. Jap: Nov 01 before Dec 01? Yes. US/NA: Dec 01 before Sep 02? Yes. Eur: May 02 before Sep 04? Yes. Aus: May 02 before Oct 03? Yes.

And, aside from the fact that Super Smash Bros is in fact released before Animal Crossing so the AC trophies would in fact be properly marked future release, I'd just like to point out that if they are that way in one version of the game, they are that way in another. Nintendo releases different versions of games but doesn't really change the game. It does text translation, but no gameplay changing--not really. Sometimes one version won't support a technological thing. The Animal Forest (GC) translation to Animal Crossing was a BIG deal. Creating new furniture, new characters, new holidays. It was and still is a rare translation type of translation project and I believe it may still be the biggest translation of its kind that has ever been done. And the results were so great, the new holidays, the new items, that Nintendo translated it back into Japanese for e+. But normally, no translation. The Australian versions of AC don't have the seasons set to the southern hemisphere. No one bothers with things like that. TStein 14:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

About the dummy item...
Sorry I thought you could pick it up w/ a shovel... Well it worked for me. It just goes to show ya, bugs are strange.--68.255.229.181 00:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Common Bugs section...
Do we really need this section? Looking at other video game articles, it doesn't look like bugs are commonly listed. Doppelganger 22:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Common Bugs section 2
why was this deleted? It was quite informative and interesting. The article looks much shorter than it did last time I read it... Nukleoptra 18:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Because Wikipedia is not an FAQ, and most bugs do not qualify as noticeable, despite how common they may be. They're only noticeable if they've have significant effects outside of fangroups.--Niroht | Smoke signals 19:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

china release?
The Animal Crossing (series) page has an image for Animal Crossing in Chinese. Miss Mondegreen | Talk  15:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

RFC
Hey...we only have the input of three people at Talk:Dōbutsu no Mori (film) and I'd realy like more. Since this article is closely related your opinions would be welcome. Miss Mondegreen | Talk  20:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 


 * Move Animal Crossing (GameCube)|Animal Crossing (GameCube) to Animal Crossing: Animal Crossing is the first game in the series to use the name Animal Crossing, the disambiguation page currently at Animal Crossing should be moved to Animal Crossing (disambiguation). This is how most of the other articles on wikipedia do it. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 00:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support I've never understood the weird way AC articles are titled. This is the first game in the series to be called Animal Crossing. On a related note, I think other articles need to follow this example (like Final Fantasy should be about the first game, with the article on the series being called Final Fantasy (series)). TJ Spyke 00:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. First game, only game with this name, etc. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose At this time, I'd very, very, very strongly oppose this move. First, at this time there's a problem with the AC titles in general. Not all of the titles use the English names--completely ignoring WP:ENGLISH--Animal Forest the movie is using the name Dobutsu no Mori. Also, the current nav box is severly limited for bizarre reasons I don't entirely understand. I am of the opinion that the pages as a whole need a real workover. The currently read like fan sites, we have no information on releases in China or anything else--anything that makes the games notable--anything that would be encyclopedic, and it's often very hard to find the page you want, because the pages don't link to each other, because the nav box navigates to nowhere, because they are named bizarrely. I go to the disambig page, or my full watchlist to get to the page I want--I think the disambig page is too important right now to be moved.
 * In general, I might still oppose this move. The Japanese releases are called Animal Forest--the English releases are called Animal Crossing, the Chinese releases are called Animal Forest, so that might give weight to locate the disambig page at Animal Forest, but the series in English, in English speaking countries is known as Animal Crossing. This may be first thing to be named Animal Crossing, but people search for Animal Crossing looking for just about everything on the disambig page, and especially with the current disorganization of the Animal Crossing pages, this seems like a disaster to me. Miss Mondegreen | Talk   01:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The policy for video games/movies not released in English is to use the native Japanese title. If the movie gets released outside of Japan, it will get renamed to something like Animal Crossing since that is the English name of the series. What the series is known as in China doesn't matter since the series is called Animal Crossing in English (US, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, etc.). The simple solution: the disambiguation page be at "Animal Crossing (series)", this game be at "Animal Crossing", and keep the other articles where they currenty are. TJ Spyke 04:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:ENGLISH says,
 * "'If there is no commonly used English name, use an accepted transliteration of the name in the original language. Latin-alphabet languages, like Spanish or French, should need no transliteration, but Chinese names can use Pinyin, for example.'"
 * And yet, we are using transliterations even though there is not only a commonly used English name (Animal Forest in this case), the commonly used English name is a translation verified by Nintendo--for the AC games we not only easily meet what is required by WP:ENGLISH, a commonly used verifiable name, but we have a citation proving that the translation comes from Nintendo. It's an official name, it's a commonly used name, and yet we're completely ignoring the naming convetions and guidelines for some reason that I can't quite understand.
 * Aside from that, I don't think you understood my issue. With the Japanese named articles not all being at English name spaces, and a complete lack of consistency, it's often hard to find the AC article that you're looking for.  The nav box would help this issue, except that the nav box includes barely half of the AC articles--and no, I'm not talking about the leaving off of the AC characters page.  And, A Link to the Past is right, when people search for AC on wikipedia, they probably aren't looking for the character list, but they could easily be looking for WW, Forest, the movie, the Wii release, and as time goes on, the liklihood that they will be searching AC:GC is going to decrease, not increase.
 * Links to the various articles are very disorganized--with all of the name changes etc, there are tons of redirects and links pointing to the wrong pages. Add to that title names not in English, zero name consistency, and a nav box that  navigates to nowhere and moving the disambiguation page adds up to a seriously bad idea.  As I said before--I am familiar with all of these pages and I still go to the disambiguation page or my own watchlist to find what I'm looking for.  If it's hard for me--imagine how hard it would be for a regular reader.  Miss Mondegreen | Talk   06:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I find the argument that the likelyhood of searching is moot. If that was the case, why not have The Simpsons be at The Simpsons (TV series)? Someone could be looking for the movie or one of the video games, etc. Just have a dismabig link at the top of Animal Crossing that says "For other uses of Animal Crossing, see [[Animal Crossing (disamiguation)". That fixes the situation since there is the only thing in English known as just Animal Crossing. Also, we shouldn't try an translate Japanes names to English, only use the romanization until the English name is known (or kept as the romanization if no English release is made). That is why the the Wii Fire Emblem games is at Fire Emblem: Akatsuki no Megami instead of the translated title of Fire Emblem: The Goddess of Dawn. TJ Spyke 20:36, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak Oppose. I don't see which article here should be the primary one, so the dab page serves a valid purpose.  What is so weird about the standard disambiguation for like named articles? Vegaswikian 07:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 10:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Animal Forest should have its own article
Somebody moved the entire Animal Forest article into this article. They must have thought the two games were the same, but in fact they are not. Actually, there were three Animal Forest games for the one Animal Crossing. The games are different and AF should have its own article.--StormCommander 14:50, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That is incorrect. Animal Crossing (as well as Animal Forest+) for the GameCube is a port of Animal Forest for the N64, with original graphics, music, sound effects, and gameplay, and some extra content that takes advantage of the GC's capabilities. The two versions are at least 95% the same, and both are the first game in the franchise. The versions released for GameCube are not sequels, and they're not even true remakes. They're just ports with additional content. So, it's only natural that the Animal Forest article gets moved to the Animal Crossing article. Mega Man 5 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, they are more different than that. These are the things that Animal Crossing (NA) has that Animal Forest (JP) (the first game in the series) doesn't have: Internal clock on GCN, the Museum (so Blathers as well), Animal Island (including all of the Animal Island characters and I would assume Kapp'n as well), Patterns and Tailor (Able Sisters), Tortimer (the mayor), Codes, GBA connection, the Wishing Well (because it's a shrine in the Japan version), e-Reader cards (characters, mini games, items, patterns, etc...), and various NES games were also different.  In Japan, there are three different games for our one.  Let's say we had all three of those games, we would have different articles, wouldn't we?  That's because they are different games.--StormCommander 18:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think there are enough differences for the 2 to have seperate articles. Miles Blues 18:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we should keep a part in this article for Animal Forest, but keep it less detailed and have a separate article as well.--StormCommander 23:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * When I said extra content, those extras you listed are exactly what I meant (Museum, Animal Island, etc.). And so, there aren't more differences and the game is 95% the same as the N64 version. They're both the first game in the series, neither is sequel or remake. It was ported (not remade) to the GameCube because Nintendo wasn't satisfied with the sales of the N64 version (caused by the slowing N64 market). The GameCube version keeps the original graphics, town tunes, sound effects, characters, and items. Why? Because it's the same game as the N64 release. Blathers was added because the Museum is a business, just like the other places in the game which all have people working inside. The "three games" you're talking about are not different games. They're the same games but with some additional content added to each new version to take advantage of the GC's capabilities. Therefore, they're all the first game in the series and will be contained in the same article. Mega Man 5 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's compare the DS's AC: Wild World to the GCN version. You've got some new things like hats and accessories, and Wi-Fi, but is it not basically the same games as well?  None of the games are sequels because there's technically not a plot.  In AF e+, you can have Redd put furniture outside in the town, he's basically a different character.  Whether you believe or not that the three games are all the same, they should still have another article.  Think of it as the article for Animal Crossing in Japan until the games were the same worldwide (AC: Wild World).  A small section in this article cannot have enough information about the three games and how they are different, etc.  The best thing to do is keep the history section here but also have another article for a more in depth explanation of the Japanese games (Animal Forest).  In an article specifically about those games, we can write more about what the games are about and what's in them instead of just how and why they were released. By the way, I'd really like to know why you (I'm assuming it was you) deleted the entire article without even proposing it... there wasn't any decision, you just did it yourself.--StormCommander 03:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Brawl stage
Would it be appropriate to mention in the article that AC will get a stage in the upcoming Smash Bros.? 75.153.231.20 07:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not in this one, but in the Animal Crossing (series) article it would.--StormCommander 03:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Please add to this!
http://animalcrossing.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

AC wiki.

--aeryka 15:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)