Talk:Anita Pallenberg

Nationality
What nationality is this actress/model?

Courtland 03:42, 2005 Apr 6 (UTC)
 * As the article says, she's Italian but has a German mother.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:33, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

The birth dates do not match in current article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grnlb (talk • contribs) 12:41, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

"concluding a four years"
is this a briticism or typo?

Thicken out Stones stuff
I added some material about her influence over the RS during the period, probably more could be added, but with limited time I think it is a fair representation. Also mentioned her involvement with the death of the 17 year old kid, and used a Sources section to try to justify the material which is very widely known, but because she is still a living person there is a higher standard to source her article. More specific sourcing could be added in time too. --Mikerussell 01:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Anita was a symbol of the 1960's.She should be given the status of a Sixties' icon alongside Nico and Jean Shrimpton.Anita was the Sixties!!jeanne (talk) 16:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, balls. She was only important to people that liked her. Someone like Grace Slick, for example, was much more well-known, admired, etc.104.169.34.62 (talk) 01:24, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Mother a Nazi?
Sources state that her mother Paula Wiederhold was a secretary at the German Embassy in Rome. Given that Pallenberg was born in Rome in 1944, during WW2 when Germany and fascist Italy were allies, does that make her mother a Nazi? I can't imagine you would have been allowed to work in the German Embassy at such a time unless you vigorously subscribed to the party line. 86.148.48.253 (talk) 12:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you a reliable source that confirms this? If not, it cannot go into the article.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Italy surrendered in September 1943. Valetude (talk) 12:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Citizenship
What is her actual citizenship, NOT her nationality? Born from an Italian citizen and a German citizen, she would have had to decide for one citizenship only when turning adult, as in Germany and Italy the ius sanguinis is the valid law. She might have changed her citizenship later, due to marriage or other reasons, but I do not see evidence for a differing current citizenship. Anyone got more info? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.143.47.245 (talk) 14:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I recall having read back in the early 1970s that the British authorities had tried to deport her in the late 1960s. She was dscribed as a German actress, but alas this cannot go into the article seeing as I don't have the publication on hand. I remember she was always referred to by the press as German, never Italian. It's possible she is now a US citizen.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:41, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Very likely. It is not even clear she ever held an Italian passport, and most likely she was not even entitled to hold one. Ethnically, she is half German, half Italian, but the passport is what counts. It is also not clear if she really holds an American passport now or a British one. We need more info here.
 * I believe her father was actually half Swedish, making Pallenberg half German, one-quarter Swedish and one-quarter Italian.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:24, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No, Jeanne Boleyn. Half-quarter-quarter is NO citizenship. The question still is her citizenship here (i.e the country of which she holds a passport), NOT her ethnic heritage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.157.59.185 (talk) 16:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * So can you provide the answer as to what her citizenship is or are you just posting here to display your crass personality fpr all and sundry?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 05:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

According to this article, she had an Italian passport in 1979: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/teenager-dies-in-keith-richards-new-york-home-19790906 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.194.85.220 (talk) 14:35, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Date of Birth
Bill Wyman gives her date of birth as 25 January 1944 but I have also seen 6 April 1944. Which is the correct one?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

The article now says she was born in 1942. From https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2438877,2439420, the NYT obit corrected the birth date from 1944 according to "a spokeswoman for Keith Richards". This also matches age 37 quoted by NYT and Rolling Stone at the time of the Cantrell incident in 1979. In the film Catching Fire, her unpublished memoir is quoted as saying that she travelled to NY in 1963 aged 19, consistent with a birth year 1944. However she is also quoted as saying that she learned to run rather than walk because of bombing, which would hardly have applied if she had been born in 1944, being less than 6 months old at the liberation of Rome; even if she had been sent to Germany she would have been under 18 months old at the Nazi surrender. Perhaps she was always "2 years younger" in Europe than in N America. 46.208.6.91 (talk) 12:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Pic?
Surely a picture would be appropriate. Valetude (talk) 10:07, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Model
Former model or still a model? If still a model i.e. earning money modeling, what kind of model? Role? Wrinkles cream? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.131.66.116 (talk) 15:21, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 07:52, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

rolling stones status
To say that the Rolling Stones had 'not made it big' by 1965 is strange, to say the least. The Wikipedia article on the Rolling Stones describes the years 1965-67 as their 'height of fame'. Okay, that's a bit strange too, but they were certainly VERY big by 1965. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.44.231.180 (talk) 07:17, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Again: date of birth
Today the d.o.b. of Anita Pallenberg in this article is twice mentioned as 25-01-1944 and once as 06-04-1944. The given d.o.b.'s differ in the different wiki's (and for instance also in the IMDb). Who is able to solve this question? De Jaren (talk) 17:13, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Go to Talk:Elisabeth Sladen and see what they did there. I think they had to go back to the register, in the end. Britmax (talk) 17:16, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Her date of birth was previously reported as 25-01-1944. This is now known to be incorrect. Both Marlon Richards and Keith Richards' spokesman have confirmed it is in fact 06-04-1942, making her 75 not 73. This is now being reported in major obituaries such as The New York Times and Washington Post. This is what we should go with. Unfortunately The Guardian has introduced a third date of 06-04-1944 but that must be a typo.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:23, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I have added an edit note reading "READ THIS BEFORE CHANGING TO 1944 1942 date is correct, see talk page" after experience with the same problem at Elisabeth Sladen. Britmax (talk) 13:39, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Related to the DOB issue: If she was actually born in 1942, is wasn't "German-occupied Rome" yet. (see History of Rome)

German-Italian???
Neither she nor her father Arnold and mother Elfriede Paula, neé Wiederhold, had any Italian blood. Her father and grandfather (Franz Pallenberg, married to Angela, neé Böcklin) were German businessmen in Italy. They only had the German citizinship! ---84.134.125.48 (talk) 20:32, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I notice you didn't provide a reliable source to back up your claim. In any case, if she was born and grew up in Rome, it seems reasonable to describe her as German-Italian. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:02, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

birthplace
Rome is almost always given as Anita Pallenberg's place of birth, based, I assume, on what she herself said during her lifetime. However, when she passed away in 2017, additionally to Keith and Marlon Richards correcting her date of birth, some news sources also claimed that she was actually born in Hamburg, again citing Marlon Richards as the source for this information. The most notable source was The New York Times in the obituary that is also used as a reference for Anita Pallenberg's Wikipedia article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/arts/music/anita-pallenberg-dead-actress-rolling-stones-figure.html

Quote 'Anita Pallenberg was born on April 6, 1942 — in Rome according to most sources, in Hamburg according to her son.'

Since this was just mentioned in passing, I wasn't sure whether to take this seriously, but now I have come across another obituary from the online platform of 'Neue Zürcher Zeitung', a notable Swiss newspaper, that gives the same information, plus more details, also citing Marlon Richards as the source.

https://magazin.nzz.ch/meinungen/anita-pallenbergmuse-im-kosmos-der-rolling-stones-ld.1301509?reduced=true

Quote: 'Geboren wird Anita Pallenberg – ja, wo eigentlich und wann? Sie selbst gibt ihren Jahrgang mit 1944 an. Ihr Sohn korrigiert nach ihrem Tod das Datum. Und auch den Geburtsort. Nicht in Rom sei seine Mutter auf die Welt gekommen, sondern in Hamburg: am 6. April 1942. Der Vater hat zwar in Italien zu tun. Aber erst als der Krieg zu Ende ist, ziehen auch Frau und Tochter nach Rom.'

Translation: 'Anita Pallenberg was born - well, where and when actually? She herself gives her year of birth as 1944. Her son corrected the date after her death. And also the place of birth. His mother was not born in Rome, but in Hamburg: on April 6, 1942. The father is doing business in Italy. But only when the war is over do his wife and daughter also move to Rome.'

The article is paywalled, I do have a pdf version, though. Given that two independent news sources have related that information, should this be added to the article in some form?

Sorry, this got so lengthy, but I wanted to be as accurate as possible. RubyTuesday84 (talk) 15:01, 16 June 2023 (UTC)


 * So, after a month without a reply, I thought I would type out here what I had in mind. I would be grateful for any input.
 * 'Pallenberg was born on 6 April 1942 in Rome, according to most sources. However, after her passing in 2017, several news sources such as the New York Times reported that Marlon Richards had corrected her place of birth, stating that his mother had in fact been born in Hamburg.'
 * I would then put in a reference to the two sources cited in my above post.
 * Additionally, I would like to add information about her father's background, as the Pallenberg family is quite notable. They were renowned for manufacturing furniture, as well as being patrons of the arts. There are also two artists, more distantly related to Anita, from that family.
 * I think it would best fit with the already existing remark about her father sending her to boarding school in Germany. That he came from a well-heeled family from Germany, gives insight into why he was adamant that she spoke German and got an education at an elite school in her parents' home country.
 * 'Her father, a descendant of the Pallenberg family dynasty from Cologne, who were renowned as furniture manufacturers and patrons of the arts, later sent her to a boarding school in Germany so that she would learn the language.'
 * If the link to the German wikipedia article I put in there isn't enough, there is also an article from the newspaper 'Express' from Cologne that I could link to.
 * https://www.express.de/koeln/koeln-die-koelsche-spur-der-rolling-stones-37618
 * If anyone wishes to discuss my proposed changes, or has some input, please reply here. RubyTuesday84 (talk) 16:53, 15 July 2023 (UTC)