Talk:Ankh-Morpork City Watch

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Lewton?
Shouldn't Lewton from Discworld Noir be mentioned? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:31, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * He is now. Zodon (talk) 04:35, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Night Watch?
The main article suggest the City Watch was "formerly" the Night Watch. Is this right? I seem to remember, although it has been a few years, that the Night Watch subsumed the already-existing City Watch when Vimes was promoted. -- YLlama
 * It could be phrased better. There was the Night Watch and the Day Watch, and when Vimes was given a position over both forces he got rid of the "hours of darkness" rule so they were all just the Watch. Daibhid C 18:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Was Buggy in Feet of Clay?
I don't have the books to hand, but as I remember it Buggy was introduced in Jingo; it was Wee Mad Arthur in Feet of Clay, wasn't it? Serendipodous 18:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Reason for tags
I can't understand why this article has the tags at the top. It's certainly better than most articles on fictional universes. How do we get this status changed?Konczewski 22:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Watchwomen?
Why does the article mention watchmen(women)? I've always understood that all women in the watch are watchmen in the same way that dwarfs and trolls are still watchmen--Shadebug 10:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. As Angua says, she doesn't have sex while on duty. Yoink. --Kizor 18:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Making Terry Pratchett a Featured Article
This is a call to arms to make the Terry Pratchett article a Featured Article. It will greatly help the cause if all the side articles that link from it are of a reasonable standard. Terry Pratchett has around 40 side articles (ie the ones relating to his work) - I don't think they are all expected to be GA (Good Article) standard for TP to become featured, but certain basic elements will be looked at for sure.

A full list of the sub articles is here on the TP talk page: I'm posting this comment on the talk pages of each article on the list. Editors reading may also like to help with the TP article too?

The main issue, especially with smaller articles, is often a finding reasonable amount of citations, and prose can sometimes be a little POV too. Coverage of the topic is probably less important, but of course it needs to be reasonably good. --Matt Lewis (talk) 15:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

German Translation
I'm new on Wiki and want to translate your article into german. How can i do this and do you allow it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by M-Nut (talk • contribs) 13:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It is possible, the german WP has some kind of infobox for cases like that, but it's not really wanted for licence reasons. Better would be to rewrite it. There is a chapter about the watch in Scheibenwelt-Romane. Maybe it's a better idea to expand that one than to write a new article.--Stanzilla (talk) 14:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Stronginthearm a Decendant of the Cube-Bearer
This is a load of crap. There's a different Stronginthearm in almost every book. A Stronginthearm is a rabble-rouser in Men at Arms, a different Stronginthearm is half of Burleigh and Stronginthearm who manufacture crossbows... It's the dwarf equivelant of Smith or Jones.

It has no basis within facts. I'm deleting it.

Andy "Two Swords" Hancock/Others
"although a crazy man with two swords is mentioned in passing as part of the final stand in Night Watch"

It's been a little while... but wasn't that Keel/Vimes? I forget the exact passage, but in the penultimate scuffle with the Particulars (i.e. the one before he grabs Carcer), 'Keel' picks up a second sword for the fight, and fights like a lunatic. The passage is one of those Beast parts, IIRC, with the gist being the rage and the battle drop away and suddenly 'Keel' is just standing there, just a madman with two swords.

Not sure if the above quoted is a joke; if it is, it probably needs to be a more obvious one.

Tom Prankerd (talk) 08:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I read the novel in question yesterday (I'm on a quest to read all of Terry's books in a month and I'm doing pretty well, actually) and you're right - the crazy man with two swords is Vimes/Keel, not Hancock. I've removed that fragment.

Latania (talk) 08:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

No List of novels?
It would make sense here to list the novels featuring the watch, at least the in which the watch play a major role, so I added a section with my cut at such a list. Feel free to correct if I missed one or added one inappropriately. Geoffrey.landis (talk) 00:52, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

why is monstrous regiment there - it doesn't feature the City watch? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.151.109.157 (talk) 12:08, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It does feature the CW, albeit in a minor way - in the end, it is Vimes & Co. who organize the peace. --Ulkomaalainen (talk) 12:55, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah Vimes in particular is in there at the end Elinruby (talk) 03:56, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Sir Samuel?
Wasn't Vimes named Duke of Ankh by the Patrician? That title isn't listed here (just Commander Sir Samuel Vimes). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmoffatt (talk • contribs) 22:16, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Possibly left as Commander Sir because he refused to allow people to call him Lord, telling them to call him Sir if they must, and Duke (Dux) is Commander anyway (Vetinari says Vimes hasn't got a choice but accept to be a Duke because he technically already was one as Commander, but Vetinari did not know at the time (or so he said). 77.101.247.84 (talk) 16:29, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Thought it was by marriage Elinruby (talk) 03:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Inspiration
I haven't any citation but I strongly believe that Corporal Nobby Nobbs was created in homage to Constabel Els from the Tom Sharpe novels 'Rioutous Asembly' and 'Indecent Exposure'. Both of these are biting satires of South Africa long before attacking the Apatheid Regime became fashionable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Epobirs (talk • contribs) 00:22, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

"in his mind, they prey on people"
Almost splitting hairs here, but the above reason is given for Vimes not liking vampires, kings and assassins. I've always thought that it's more to do with Vimes not liking to see people treated as things (see e.g. Feet of Clay for vampires). the reason I bring this up, is it emphasizes one of the similarities between Vimes and Granny Weatherwax. Also, "he believes they treat people as objects" is a somewhat more specific and stronger reason. thoughts? 152.78.194.54 (talk) 14:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Lead requires more focus
The lead includes a lot of extraneous detail about the series in general and sentences such as "The series includes so far 39 novels of humorous fantasy fiction with elements of parody on the fantasy genre itself, literature in general, and historic events, especially 19th and 20th-century inventions and modern concepts of multi-cultural society. The books' entertaining qualities rely on this mirroring of real-world events and phenomena and transposing them into unlikely context. The series consists of several sub-series centering around the different places and characters. However, all books can be read independently." are not germane to this article and should be removed. ' Ankh '. Morpork  12:57, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

please don't nick the jokes
Apart from the fact that this is written primarily in-universe, it also suffers from a common problem in Wikipedia articles about humorous material: that is to say, nicking the jokes. I don't think there's a cleanup tag about this or a policy article about it specifically, but it's fairly evident that this is not written in the serious tone that is expected of an encyclopedia article.

Examples:


 * Unfortunately for Vimes, this is practically everybody.


 * then splatter (like a Bouncer but harder) Detritus the troll.


 * His reasoning is that until someone attempts to steal the geographic feature in question, he can lean against it and stay out of danger (as well as the wind).


 * Among the clamped were the Opera House, three other buildings, six fountains, three statues and a gibbet.


 * Cigarettes quickly become butts in his presence, and stay as such for an apparently infinite amount of time.


 * As a child he was a street urchin, that is, small, prickly, and smelling of fish,

So, yes, this is character-based humour. But can we not explain the characters without making the jokes ourselves? Some of these are ripped directly out of the pages, and even if they're not necessarily actual copyvios, we're still nicking his material by paraphrasing it. Even if they're original, we shouldn't even really be making our own jokes. The article should not be funny. Morwen - Talk 23:23, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Buggy Swires is a Feegle?
The paragraph about Swires states that he found out that he's a Feegle. Wasn't that Wee Mad Arthur? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.36.200.35 (talk) 16:04, 8 May 2015 (UTC)