Talk:Ann Dunham

Move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Nathan Johnson (talk) 20:26, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Ann Dunham → Stanley Ann Dunham – So we can make this page a disambig for her and the equestrian. Ranze (talk) 17:52, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose; unnecessary per WP:TWODABS. Powers T 18:51, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:PRIMARYTOPIC has to be proved to use WP: TWODABS "As discussed above, if an ambiguous term has no primary topic, then that term needs to lead to a disambiguation page. In other words, where no topic is primary, the disambiguation page is placed at the base name." but to be honest, Ann Durham looks like WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In addition "Stanley" is a male name and is going to confuse readers which is why books and newspapers drop it. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:49, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose per both previous comments. Not to say that google hits is definitive, I still note that searching Anne Dunham equestrian yields about 8,000 hits, where Ann Dunham Obama yields over 500,000. This article is the primary, and a hatnote is more than enough. Also, per COMMONNAME, Ann Dunham is correct. Tvoz / talk 03:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose, mostly per PrimaryTopic CommonName, but also because of lack of necessity. They're already two different names; making them more different won't do anything to eliminate the need to direct people to the correct article after they have typed in the wrong name. What I do wonder, though, is what support we have for the decision that Ann Dunham is the primary topic for Anne Dunham rather than the person who actually bears that name, or in other words, wouldn't eliminating Anne Dunham as a redirect and using it instead as the title for the equestrian of that name, with hatnotes on both articles, be a reasonable solution? Fat&#38;Happy (talk) 05:05, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You have a point, F&H. I wouldn't object to that. Tvoz / talk 05:17, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I hadn't noticed the difference in spelling before.  Powers T 12:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Completely unnecessary and not usual WP practice. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:17, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose, Fine the way it is as previous commentators have noted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellagio99 (talk • contribs) 16:15, 22 May 2013‎ (UTC)
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Ought
It ought to be possible to ascertain if Ann's degree was in anthropology or mathematics. Even if the records are conflicting, those there at the time should remember the subject she studied.
 * It seems that she did not study maths. Her whole later career was based on anthropology.
 * The University in Hawaii does have a maths department. Ann might not have been there.
 * Ann seems to have studied Russian, still not maths.
 * Alice Dewey, Ann's friend, denies that maths was ever studied by Ann. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.169.72 (talk) 13:33, 4 July 2013‎ (UTC)
 * See http://www.anthropology.hawaii.edu/News/Announcements/Dunham/dunham.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.239.144 (talk) 10:01, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

1965
¶ Dunham married Soetoro on 15 March 1965. This according to an application for a passport amendment and, again, for a renewal of a passport, signed by her and submitted to the US Dept of State. Images of these two documents are readily findable using picture search engines including Bing and Google, for "Stanley Ann Dunham & passport". I don't know what to do to adequately cite these as sources but they are genuine and both claim her wedding date as March 15, 1965. Would someone PLEASE write this in the proper way for me. Sussmanbern (talk) 00:17, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Math degree error apparently corrected
What is the source for the UH Manoa registrar's office saying that she earned a math bachelors degree? I just called them, and they say anthropology. 104.128.96.117 (talk) 19:29, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Ancestry
I have copied the ancestry tree from Template:Dunham family tree with the necessary in-line attribution it is my intention to redirect that template to here as it is unique to this article and to keep it is just confusing. The only reason for keeping it is for the history of the edits. -- PBS (talk) 22:24, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

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First Sentence Ambiguity
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Because of the way the first sentence in this article is worded, it could technically be construed as saying: "Stanley Ann Dunham was the mother of Barack Obama, [she was] the 44th President of the United States, and [she was] an American anthropologist who specialized in economic anthropology and rural development." I realize this is likely a low-priority issue, as it can essentially be resolved by common sense, but I'm trying to think of a way to remove the ambiguity without rendering the sentence less readable. Any thoughts from other users?

MattW93 (talk) 17:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I teach, when in doubt divide into multiple sentences, which is what I'm gonna do. Bellagio99 (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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Notability
She's notable for being the mother of President Barack Obama, not as an anthropologist. The Lede should reflect this immediately in the 1st sentence. Also there are nude pics being circulated online claiming they are of her, and I wonder if the Article should address this directly, whether it's true or not, etc... Tym Whittier (talk) 18:48, 27 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Tym Whittier. Thanks for the heads-up. She's mentioned as Obama's mother in the second sentence, and she was a good anthropologist, so I think the lede is ok as is. As for the purported nude pics, with photoshop scams these days, there's a lot of questionable photos. Having read the main bio book of her, I didn't have the sense that nude pics were her thing. And WP:BLP cautions us to be very reticent about that stuff. Bellagio99 (talk) 19:28, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

The lady is dead and gone. She isn’t alive to defend herself. I believe the photos are her. But they don’t add anything and are only hurtful to her surviving family. F. L. (talk) 01:59, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Stanley Dunham is listed as both a "she" and a "he". I do not know how to correct.
Stanley Dunham is listed as both a "she" and a "he". I do not know how to correct. 195.252.196.90 (talk) 18:22, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Where specifically are you seeing this? Her father's name was also Stanley. Cullen328 (talk) 18:33, 15 August 2023 (UTC)