Talk:Anna (Frozen)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Zanimum (talk · contribs) 22:13, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Even though I haven't actually seen the film, I'll grab at this one. It looks fairly solid, but I'll scour it, see if there's anything here or there to change.

I'll start with images, review the rest tonight. The top image is the only one I'm partially unease about. The image has been modified from the source, as the standee base is erased. There's lots of sites that Google's "Search by images" finds with this graphic, but none of them are an official outlet, so in absence of a Disney site, I'll let this pass.

I'll also note that I looked at Flickr to see if there were alternate freely licensed park characters of Anna, but I agree this image is the best. While it's an unusual pose, the face shape of this performer is closest to Anna's in the film. -- Zanimum (talk) 22:18, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your attention to my nomination. Yes, please go on. I'm keeping track on your review. Quenhitran (talk)

Origins and conception
 * Who Goldwyn? (I know who he is, for the record, but the article doesn't give any context to his name.)
 * ✅ Added a link to the article about Goldwyn. Quenhitran (talk) 11:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * "Jennifer Lee, Frozen's co-director, later recalled" italics on the film title (look to "Design and characterization" for the wikicode on getting 's to not ruin things.)
 * ✅ Italicized. Quenhitran (talk) 11:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Character model
 * Does Mickey have a small nose? Does Hercules have big eyes? Does Sebastian have thin lips? Clarify these are true for a "typical human woman Disney character" or "typical Disney heroine".
 * ✅ Corrected. This is a really big mistake. Quenhitran (talk) 11:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Merchandise
 * should be "illustrations by the film's art director Brittney Lee." Reading the article out of order, I had no idea why Ms. Lee was of importance.
 * ✅ Added her role in the film's crew. Quenhitran (talk) 11:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Theme parks
 * The meet-and-greet paragraph contradicts itself. They began meets in November in Florida and California, but debuted in Florida in late October.
 * Well, what I actually mean here is that, the first sentence was to say that they began meets in November in both Florida and California; then in the second sentence, I went into details about the one in Florida (Epcot). Quenhitran (talk) 17:41, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * When did they move to the Norway pavilion? This would help establish for readers how temporary their temporary location was.
 * ✅ I added the date and a source for this. Quenhitran (talk) 17:41, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Any indication whether the Disneyland Paris production Disney Dreams! uses Bell's voice, or a French voice actress' voice?
 * ✅ According to the source, it was Anna who acted as a French narrator for the show, so they mustn't have used Bell's voice. This has been added. Quenhitran (talk) 17:41, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Critical reviews
 * pull quote: note Sabina's outlet as Geek Exchange; people shouldn't have to hunt to know
 * ✅ OK. Quenhitran (talk) 12:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Any indication that Travis Bean's columns appear across the Community Newspaper Group chain? The URL indicates this particular review was posted to the Cedar Falls Times.
 * "The Community Newspaper Group is home to five publications, including Cedar Falls Time." I found this piece on the source's page. Quenhitran (talk) 12:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * The Star suggests the tabloid that you see at supermarket checkout lines. Barnard's outlet is the Toronto Star.
 * ✅ I fixed it. Quenhitran (talk) 11:23, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

References
 * 3: "Collider.comn"
 * ✅ Done. Quenhitran (talk) 12:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * 14: "Frozen(2013)"
 * ✅ Done. Quenhitran (talk) 12:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * 16: YouTube doesn't need to be in the title, just the website field.
 * ✅ Done. Quenhitran (talk) 12:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * 17: Is this really the title?
 * It's the clip's name... I formatted the citation just like #16. Quenhitran (talk) 12:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * 18: Not a reliable enough source for the "Part of Your World" sentence. (IMDb had Barney as a cast member on Sesame Street for years.) Where did they find this fact?
 * ✅ Added another source for this. Quenhitran (talk) 12:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * 20: I'm offline right now, but I presume this is one of Jim's "here's the start of the article, go to HuffPo for the full article" deals? If so, then references the full article on HuffPo.
 * No, the whole article is already in the provided link. Quenhitran (talk) 12:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * 27: Leave As Is, But Ugg, Why Must MTV Capitalize Every Stinkin' Word?
 * 30, 33, 42: As you likely know, Examiner.com is blocked as a reference for Wikipedia, because of its pay-per-click structure. That said, presuming Ms. Moskowitz did do exclusive interviews, that's pretty darn cool, and proves she's more than the stereotype Wikipedia applies to the site's writers. I'll let these two references pass for GA status, but know that they will likely fall if you ever apply for FA.
 * 37: Tumblr is the source of Paul Briggs' quote. That said, was it later used in any other source? It's bad practice to reference official material from the filmmakers, without another organization acting as a conduit.
 * I pasted it on Google but I couldn't find any newspapers or site which used this quote. But it's the official Tumblr page of WDAS. It also appeared on the studio's official Facebook and Twitter page (I can provide respective links if necessary). Quenhitran (talk) 12:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * 43: Remove "[Updated]", our retrieved date covers the bases.
 * ✅ Removed. Quenhitran (talk) 12:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * 45: Any author for Mom Trends?]
 * ✅ Added the author. Her name appears on the bottom of the source page. Quenhitran (talk) 12:11, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * 50: We only need Orlando Sentinel listed once, and I'm not sure we benefit from his column name being listed.
 * ✅ Okay... Quenhitran (talk) 11:01, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * 55: Does this publication have an ISBN number? Cite it, please. Also, can you run the ISBN number through worldcat.org? I don't think Paperback is formally part of the book name, just part of the Amazon listing.
 * ✅ Added ISBN for all book citations. Quenhitran (talk) 11:01, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * 56: Same here, though you may not find this in Worldcat, given it comes with a projector.
 * ✅ Done. Quenhitran (talk) 11:01, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * 58: Hicks and Lee worked on it? Then I think you can remove the generic corporate credits. ISBN, also.
 * 64: While this reference is social media and official Disney, just like the Tumblr ref is, it's fine to keep, since it's supplemented with third party coverage references.
 * 65: "nigthtime"
 * ✅ Fixed. Quenhitran (talk) 17:41, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * 69 "Intervista a Katy Harris"??? If this isn't English, the reference should include the languages field.
 * ✅ Added language. Quenhitran (talk) 17:41, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

So, there's still a few more sections to deal with, but there's a good chunk to keep you occupied for a while. I've made a few changes myself, now that I'm online (I reviewed it offline). -- Zanimum (talk) 20:46, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I've basically finished making changes and corrections based on your suggestions. Looking forward to hearing from you soon. Quenhitran (talk) 11:23, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

I'll try and eat through the appearances section tonight, offline. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:43, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

There's a significant difference between writing a plot summary for a movie article, and writing a summary of a character's life within that plot. It all comes down to one core question:


 * Does this fact help us understand who Anna is?

While less is more with any sort of writing, you can certainly include details about Anna's experiences in her article, that would be too trivial for the "parent" Frozen article. The reverse, though, is that many things about the plot are irrelevant to understanding Anna. It doesn't matter that the shipwreck happens in a storm, it only matters that Anna's parents died. It doesn't matter what Elsa's monster is called, it only matters why she summoned it.

I've started to weed out your writing, two paragraph not yet edited. I've managed to trim from 1255-923, without really loosing anything of Anna's personal journey, physically and emotionally. More later. -- Zanimum (talk) 18:48, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it's fine now. Congrats, GA! --  Zanimum (talk) 14:23, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, you must have put a lot of effort into my nomination. Again, thanks! Quenhitran (talk) 16:20, 22 March 2014 (UTC)