Talk:Anna Kournikova

Useless and inappropriate reference
Reference 6, cited by the first sentence of the third paragraph is completely unrelated to Anna Kournikova's back injury. I think it needs to be replaced by a new correct reference.

The quality of the "article" linked as reference 6 is also sub-standard and the whole reference should probably go away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annakour (talk • contribs) 19:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Why were some of her Niki commercials banned?
And where were they banned?

-G

IPA pronunciation of her name is wrong
The IPA for the pronunciation of her name is wrong. It doesn't show vowel reduction.

Nude Picture
Some one changed the picture of Anna to a nude one. I just shrunk it down, before I realized what they uploaded. I tried to revert it to the old image, though I am not sure I did it right. Can some one else please double check that I did it right, thanks.--Azathar 04:18, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Looks to me to be reverted correctly. I'll delete the topless one. (not relevant for article, and has a .com logo in corner) Tristanb 02:54, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Oral sex rumor
Removed a reference to her supposedly having been "caught performing oral sex on Fred Durst." Whilst truth, accuracy, and completeness are important, surely we don't need to include every piece of inane tabloid gossip about people (for fsck's sake, I bet her family has baby pictures of her *in the nude*...). --Robert Merkel 04:52 Sep 30, 2002 (UTC)


 * Wait a minute... both Britney Spears *and* Anna Kournikova were caught performing oral sex on Fred Durst?? Wow. What a lucky fellow.


 * Not to mention Jessica Marie Alba. I suspect our fellow may have made a habit of this. --Brion 05:26 Sep 30, 2002 (UTC)

Birth place change
I changed

Kournikova was born in Moscow, Russia to

Kournikova was born in Moscow, Soviet Union (Now Russia)

I did this because the USSR had not broken up in 1981 but did so ten years later.

--hoshie


 * I note this has been changed back. Russia was the name for the Russian Federation even when it was one of the fifteen "full" Soviet Republics so it is not necessary to put this.  Dainamo 13:10, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

More famous for beauty or skill?
"she is perhaps more famous for her beauty than for her tennis skills" isn't this against NPOV or is it just a fact? Lenore 03:03, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say it's either - it's actually quite a nonsensical statement when you think about it. Within a tennis conext, she's more famous than other female players of equal ability because she's more attractive than they are, but it's her tennis talent that first brought her into the public eye and gave her a platform to be noticed for her looks.  For the above statement to make any sense, you'd have to prove that other women of equal attractiveness but with less tennis talent are equally famous, which is of course not true.  Think about it this way - following the logic of the above statement, you could say "Michael Jackson is more famous for sleeping with little boys than for being a singer", based on the fact that his activities with young boys accounts for most of his current media coverage.  But of course, his liking for young boys would not be talked about if he wasn't a famous singer.  I've removed the above sentence. Palefire 19:59, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, Palefire, but that's sophistry. Of course it is a fact that Kournikova is far more famous for her appearance than her tennis accomplishments; how many female athletes who have never achieved a significant championship or milestone at the professional level have had a tenth of her publicity? Kournikova was a premier star at the junior level, but that has had no more import to her professional career than Ryan Leaf being a college star has had to his. It sounds more like you're trying to come up with reasons to discredit the obvious facts than to look at the facts and draw the obvious conclusions. RGTraynor 12:42, Jul 29, 2005


 * She's hot, so I will vote for the latter. She is certainly a beautiful girl, if I shall say so myself. :). It's not NPOV, because it is a fact. For Lord's sakes, she was mentioned in a commercial showcasing her beauty when a bunch of men, when hearing "Is that Anna Kournikova", they ran and trampled over each other to get to her; so it is very obvious her beauty had a lot to do with her success and her progressing in the industry. And to tell the truth, I don't give a hoot about tennis, I navigated to this page so I could get a picture, shows you how much people know about her beautiful appearance, doesn't it? I agree with RGTraylor. Oh yea, did I mention she is HOT!? She's certainly in my top 50 if not #1. Эйрон Кинни  04:01, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree with Palefire about the statement "Gaining reknown more for her beauty than for her tennis skills." You can't disentangle the two factors and weigh them against each other; she is as famous as she is because of a synergetic interaction between her skills and her beauty.  That's a philosophical point, though.  More relevant in terms of wikipedia policy is that Palefire and I challenge the factual accuracy of the statement, therefore, by both WP:NPOV and WP:RS, it needs to be attributed to a reliable source, as in, "According to so-and-so, Kournikova is known more for..."   I'm taking out that clause in the intro, but letting the similar statements later in the article stay for now.  --Allen 21:40, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I decided to just change the wording rather than take it out, but effectively it's the same thing. --Allen 21:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I think you have to say skill above beauty. She is a stunning woman, no doubt.  But if that girl never picked up a racquet she would likely be anonymous in Russia right now.  Plus, I think she came along before the era of really pretty female tennis players.  Face it, her contemporaries were Williams, Williams, Hingis, Davenport, Graf, Seles --- none of them show stoppers in the looks department.  In that era, Kournikova was so incredibly unique to possess talent and be truly beautiful.--Lindsay (talk) 04:20, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Pictures
Hmmm... the pictures get changed from time to time. Maybe we should put the old ones into some sort if image gallery?

Anna Kournikova latest and amazing pics

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Number of wins/finals
This article contradicts itself in two spots. In "Tennis Career" it states that she has won "two Grand Slam doubles titles" but in "Trivia" it says she has "won 16 doubles WTA titles, including 3 Grand Slams"

Also in "Tennis Career" it says "she only reached the finals four times in 130 singles tournaments" yet in "Finals" it says "Kournikova participated in three finals matches".


 * The Trivia and Finals sections are wrong; I'll go and make the edits. The WTA site has detailed information on Kournikova's senior career, down to every match she ever played, where, when, what ranking the tournaments had, and all the scores to boot.  RGTraynor 19:15, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

I don't believe she played 130 professional single tournaments in her career, not with the amount of injuries she had. And why cancel the fact the she was injured?


 * What you believe is irrelevant, I'm afraid; the 130 singles tournament total comes from the WTA's own website, which as cited above has a comprehensive and searchable database listing results from every match and tournament every one of its players has ever played, and which is linked on the Wiki entry if you care to look it over. RGTraynor 12:54, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

On the WTA website it is also stated that Kournikova spent three years in a row in the top-15 of the WTA tour ranking, which is quite a accomplishment, or that she won the Orange Bowl in 1995, THE world championships tournament for juniors. Yet you (RGTraynor) delete every post made on this. It's a fact on her career so post it. I don't know why you like to stress all the 'negative' parts of her career. Most of which are subjective views.


 * Not a single one of which are subjective views. If you wanted my actual view (which is subjective) it is that Kournikova was an average singles' player who neither you nor anyone else would care about if she wasn't model-pretty; there are many other tennis players whose accomplishments dwarf hers with articles a fraction of the size of this one.  (For instance, I rather doubt, without looking it up, that you have any notion who won said Orange Bowl -- which is not, in fact, "the" world champion tournament for juniors, but one of nine principal junior tournaments -- in 1994 or 1996, and I note that Kournikova's page is the only female tennis player's article to which you've contributed.)  It is far from insignificant that the pictures of her that hit this article are invariably bikini shots as opposed to action pictures of her in matches.  Are you this invested in Amelie Mauresmo's article?  Jelena Dokic's?  Martina Hingis'?  All three are former junior world champions who have gone on to successful singles careers.


 * As far as the "Top Fifteen" deal you keep posting, that fails under Wikipedia's rules concerning neologisms. No one ever cites "top fifteens" - "top ten" lists are the standard in the sports world, but of course Kournikova only cracked the Top Ten once in her career, so in effect you've created an artificial threshold under which she qualifies and declared that a significant fact.  There are few athletes who cannot be tricked out to be significant by means of similar and hitherto unrecognized constructions.  RGTraynor 23:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

For your information: I know the champions of the Orange Bowl of 1994 and 1996, and the other years as well, doesn't matter however. Nowadays the Orange Bowl is one of nine GA tournaments. However, in the nineties the Orange Bowl was considered the world championship tournament. I never posted pictures here, by the way. I am not going by Anna's looks as you like to state. I'm a female (hetero) tennisfan and I just loved the way she played. You can read I assume: the WTA site posts top-15, it's a common tennis term, but apparently you don't know that either. I don't feel the need to contribute to any pages on Amelie, Jelena or Martina. The first two are boring players IMO and Martina's piece is actually quite ok. It just disturbes me that you consider Anna as an average player. It shows the lack of tennis knowledge you have. Not everyone knows the game, you certainly don't, but that doesn't mean you can write your subjective views on here. The frequent use of the word model and bikini in all your writings show your limited view.


 * (shrugs) You're entitled to your (equally subjective) opinion, but in the sports world, how prettily you play matters a great deal less than whether you produce on the playing field.  Kournikova never won a senior singles tournament and made the finals of only four.  By contrast, "boring" Mauresmo has won nineteen singles titles -- and is the reigning WTA champion -- been a finalist in seventeen others, has over 400 career wins, and is ranked #3 in the world.  That's in the Top Ten, by the bye; the WTA site) doesn't list fifteen singles players in the Top Ten ranking featured prominently on their front page.  Mauresmo is, unfortunately, unlikely to win any modelling contracts in the foreseeable future.  That being said, I'm sure there are many discussion forums and bulletin boards upon which you can debate Kournikova's merits as a singles' player, but their advocacy isn't pertinent here.  In any event, a genuinely knowledgeable tennis fan familiar with the WTA site wouldn't have questioned whether Kournikova had played in 130 senior singles tournaments.  RGTraynor 21:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Kournikova won 16 doubles tournaments and not 13. I don't know how to change it, can someone please do that ? Source: http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/playerbio.asp?PlayerID=110375

Kournikova's fitness
"In a feature for Elle magazine's July 2005 issue, Kournikova stated that if she were 100% fit, she would like to come back and compete again."

She looks pretty fit to me!! Damiancorrigan 14:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Anna Kournikova computer virus
Does anyone think that the article should mention the Anna Kournikova computer virus, which spread around the globe through e-mail and would infect user's computers if they clicked on a link promising pictures of her? Obviously the virus maker had to choose someone with worldwide popularity, and their choice of Anna I think is significant.
 * No. Utterly irrelevant. --kingboyk 15:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems related to the sentence on Google in the introduction if you ask me... EditorInTheRye (talk) 16:12, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Citation for "best-known"
Would the number of Google hits prove that she is/was the best-known woman tennis player in the world? Let's face it, anytime we say that something is the "best-known" in the world, we're at least verging on POV. (Is Christianity the world's best-known religion? Was John F. Kennedy the best-known U.S. President?  Is Coca-Cola the world's best-known product?  These are certainly the conventional wisdom, but all unprovable IMO, and probably Western-biased, as would the number of Google hits be.)  This is not like we're talking about something objective, like whether Mt. Everest is the highest mountain on earth, or Russia the world's largest country in area. Rlquall 21:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Removed some marked unsourced statements
From the opener:


 * Based on their looks, Hingis and Kournikova facetiously referred to themselves as the "Spice Girls of Tennis".

From "Media publicity":
 * She has not posed topless or nude for any publications, but nude photos taken by paparazzi during a Caribbean vacation do exist.

I've removed these two statements, which were marked unsourced, in accordance with the Biographies of living persons policy.

These can be restored to the article if sourced. --Tony Sidaway 14:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * One other comment I'd like to have considered removed is ""Kournikova" is pronounced with the accent on the first syllable, English speakers sometimes mistakenly put the accent on the 3rd syllable."  There is no formal pronounciation in English as far as I can find.  This also seems a bit out of place.  Perhaps it can be changed to say "In the origin language, Kournikova is pronounced with the accent on the first syllable."  or best yet, just rely on a pronounciation key at the start of the article.  Thoughts? --67.124.90.59 (talk) 23:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I've now got a source at a bottem of an artcle about this: * Based on their looks, Hingis and Kournikova facetiously referred to themselves as the "Spice Girls of Tennis".KnowIG 22:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by KnowIG (talk • contribs)

Endorsements
I'm interested to know if there is information regarding how much Kournikova earned in endorsements and other non-tennis activities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaedglass (talk • contribs) 04:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation
The accent in Russian names causes a lot of problem for English speakers, as they are not predictable, they need to be known or told. See how the surnames of some Russian female tennis players have inconsistent accent: Kúrnikova (Kou-) (Курникова), Kuznetsóva (Kou-) (Кузнецова)), Deméntieva (Дементьева), Sharápova (Шарапова). Some commentators check the correct name pronunciation before using them but many don't. I think it's important to pronounce correctly. Apart from that the "Kour-" (or Kur-") is not pronounced as "cur" in "curtain" but as [Koo-rr-] --Atitarev (talk) 22:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * One other comment I'd like to have considered removed is ""Kournikova" is pronounced with the accent on the first syllable, English speakers sometimes mistakenly put the accent on the 3rd syllable."  There is no formal pronounciation in English as far as I can find.  (This article being in English.)  This also seems a bit out of place.  Perhaps it can be changed to say "In the origin language, Kournikova is pronounced with the accent on the first syllable."  or best yet, just rely on a pronounciation key at the start of the article.  Thoughts? --67.124.90.59 (talk) 23:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Removed the unsourced statement for now. If something is added back, it should be a simple pronunciation key and have a source sited; without making unnecessary and unverifiable comment regarding English speakers. Fcsuper (talk) 14:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Caption for Photo in infobox
Can I just get a feel for whether people think the caption for her picture in the infobox is worthwhile or not? Do you think the article's better with or without it?--Jeff79 (talk) 14:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Poker Hand
It's Ace-Queen  not Ace-King, the initials have nothing to do with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vujaa De (talk • contribs) 14:48, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

No it isn't. See http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/hand_nicknames for example. 82.1.148.7 (talk) 14:06, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * That shouldn't even be in the article in the first place since it's not encyclopedic. Anyone who plays poker knows that "Big Slick" is the far more common nickname for AK.  Another alternate nickname for AK is "Walking Back to Houston" but you wouldn't put that in the article for the city of Houston.  68.45.109.14 (talk) 03:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

childhood
She was on the graham norton show last night, and she made it sound like her parents were not as passive as this article makes them out to be. I know most of the stuff about her parents is in quotes, but it sounds like she was just being nice about it. In the interview i am talking about, she said that her parents made her practice from a very young age (not just for fun), and that she had to support the entire family as the moved from Russia. I don't have any sources, but it seems relevant if anyone else does! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.246.217 (talk) 21:15, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Removed content (Influences on popular culture section)

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more articles. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: Reword close paraphrasing and readd content with final consent by opposing bilateral discussant at his talk page. This discussion is being closed procedurally because neither discussant has the page on his watchlist.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:44, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Removed: A variation of a White Russian made with skim milk is known as an Anna Kournikova.

Source 1: Anna Kournikova--A White Russian with skim milk.
 * This is not a copy vio. It is a factual description. I am re-adding this portion now and will come back to look at sources for the rest momentarily. There is virtually no other encyclopedic way to summarize the source.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:25, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it's not a copyvio, it's just trivial garbage that has no place in a biography. It's trivia of the lowest order. Courcelles 00:34, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Somewhat trivial, yes. However, consider comments on her place in pop culture below.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:38, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Trivia that was worth one throwaway line in a source that I'd argue is borderline of reliability? (And I'd never, ever use it in an article I was preparing to run through a FC candidacy, too questionable, like most "alternative newspaper"'s.)  Really, this is an article about someone's whose notability hinges on tennis, not an ephemeral subject like pop culture.  You want to include this stuff, you've got to show how is actually is relevant in a biography, and that you can throw a source at it isn't the standard. Actual relevance in the story of the person's life is. Courcelles 16:20, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Alternate refs. Take your picks and I will swap in or augment. Maybe we should have 2 or 3 refs. I have to add these one at a time because something is triggering the spam filter.
 * Cocktails and drinking games--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * TV Guide--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * iFood.tv--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * cocktailgenius.com--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:41, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In terms of biographical relevance, as stated before, she is pop culture. The "Anna Kournikova" "white russian" g-test is well over 20,000. When people have stuff named after them, it is considered relevant. Nothing further needed. Just look at the g-test.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 20,000 ghits? WP:GHITS.  They mean nothing as you are mainly searching Wiki mirrors and unreliable sources.  There is a very good reason the Google test is on the arguments to avoid, and it carries almost no weight in discussions here.  "When people have stuff named after them, it is considered relevant."  is not true at all.  When people have substantial things named after them, schools, stadiums, etc, it is relevant.  A single ingredient variation on a cocktail that was done long before anyone heard her name?  Not so much. As to this whole "she is pop culture", well, point not proven. Look at the article as it stands.  Lots about tennis, lots about notable magazines, about appearances.  Notable information.  And then this tagged on at the bottom? It's nothing but WP-in-2005 grade trivia, 20,000 ghits or not.  We're editors, not aggregators of Google.  Courcelles 05:41, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I just presented some WP:RS. Basically, on WP we are not arbiters on what is relevant in a person's life.  We are a tertiary resource that summarizes secondary sources. Once one has a bunch of secondary sources to summarize, we put them in. You have gone from "Actual relevance in the story of the person's life is." to "When people have substantial things named after them, schools, stadiums, etc, it is relevant," which is quite arbitrary.  Admittedly, I am not the person to ask, but having a street or a bridge named after you doesn't affect your life much more than having a poker hand or cocktail named after you.  I think having a street named after you should be included. There is no comparison in terms of having stadiums, skyscrapers, counties and cities named after you, but let's look at something a little more relevant like a street in a far away city. That should be included in a bio.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't believe that you want to contest whether Anna Kournikova is the epitome of pop culture? Did you read the part of her bio that says she is among the most widely-searched subject in the world.  There is a good chance that in the history of Google, she is the number one most searched subject. How can you question whether she is a pop culture subject.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

--- Removed: Anna's popularity has extended into Texas Hold 'em lingo, where the hole cards Ace–King (unsuited) are sometimes referred to as an "Anna Kournikova", a term introduced by the poker commentator Vince van Patton during a WPT tournament because "it looks great but never wins".


 * Source 2: Ace King was famously nicknamed after tennis player Anna Kournikova by Vince Van Patton during commentary during an episode of the WPT because the hand "looks great but never wins".
 * Source 3: "Anna Kournikova" (Ace and King in the hole - looks good but always loses)
 * Source 4: "hole" cards ace-king, a combination sometimes referred to as Anna Kournikova (AK) because it looks good but usually does not play well.

You point out that she has won two Grand Slams (both in women's doubles). BTW, she also has 16 Women's Tennis Association titles (all in doubles). Please note that this is not about the AKMH hand which would be known as the Anna Kournikova-Martina Hingis doubles team hand, which won two grand slams. You seem to be defending the AKMH hand and not the AK hand.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This is not a copyvio because the quote is properly attributed with inline citation.
 * It is a term that by its wide-spread use (as demonstrated in a variety of sources) is by its very nature of encyclopedic merit.
 * I am going to check through BLP. It seems to me to be mildly derogatory like say Mendoza Line, but not in violation of any BLP policy I know. It is not just a single commentator taking a shot, but rather a widespread, commonly-accepted poker term. Please present your BLP policy point.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It is not a BLP vio, IMO. I.E., it passes WP:BLPSOURCES. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 19:44, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Also passes WP:WELLKNOWN.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:49, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't, WELLKNOWN says "If an allegation or incident is notable, relevant, and well-documented, it belongs in the article" Whatever it is, and it absolutely is closely paraphrased from the source, it is totally irrelevant to the article. Again, this isn't popular culture, it's the worst sort of trivia crammed into a biography. Someone takes a shot, it's slightly funny, maybe one reliable source picks it up, and it's here forever.  That's not how we treat BLP's.  We only put stuff into a BLP that actually matters to their bio, and this is irrelevant. Courcelles 00:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Why are you pointing out that it is close to the sources, when it is in quotes with three inline citations? Are you making a point?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:38, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Her name as a reference to common things in pop culture is something that belongs in a bio. "How we treat BLP's" is to examine what is in the public domain and summarize it. In this case, her name has been widely, broadly, commonly and generally associated with a particular starting hand for good reason. It is not one guy. It is one guy who came up with a nickname that stuck. Go to any casino, online poker cite or home game and say you have Anna Kournikova. Everyone will know exactly what cards are in your hand. Google "Anna Kournikova poker" and you will find Anna Kournikova poker t-shirts on the first page of the results. You will find 13 million results. This is not one guy.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:38, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, that seems to come out of left field, and makes no sense at all. Who wins titles in doubles, players, not teams (check the WTA records, the records of grand slam titles in doubles are by individual, not by partnerships).  So it was a very silly shot by the person who first said it. Courcelles 00:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Damn, you are making me dog out a person I really like and sort of respect. Here it is. Tennis is considered an individual sport that has some team events.  When we talk about the great champions of the sport, the great doubles teams are in a remote galaxy from the individual event champions.  Kournikova is not a champion of any sort in tennis as an individual. Not in the Olympics, not in any slam, not in any TWA event, not even your garden variety tour stop, not in Davis cup, not in anything that remotely matters.  In short, she has never won a championship that is regaled in the sport.  People who don't understand tennis may argue that she has 16 championships and two grand slams, but people almost through and through agree that she has not won anything even though she has won a lot of doubles tourneys including a couple of important ones. Don't confuse your personal opinion that she has won a lot with the generally accepted convention that she has not.  There is really no argument. Yes it is nice and egalitarian to talk about team achievements, but tennis is an individual sport.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:38, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Who has won the most grand slams in history? According to our own article it is Roy Emerson for the men, and Margaret Court overall. Not Federer, mind, who despite his 16 singles titles isn't even in the top 10 men.  (On the women's side, Court leads either way.)  Your argument inflates one discipline over the other two, and by your argument, one could easily take shots at Elizabeth Ryan or other legends of the game who never played well at singles.  Writing off the doubles discipline as irrelevant as you have done is a very modernist POV.  When you talk about Grand Slam champions, as recognised by the Slams themselves, Kournikova has to be on that list, and this article cannot present her career as a failure, as pot shots like this do. Courcelles 16:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No one said her wins don't count. I know how to count grand slams and I can certainly count up to two. Yes she is on the list. It is mainly because she is one of many people fortunated enough and skilled enough to complement Hingis. Hingis won 10 Grand Slams doubles titles with seven different partners: Helena Suková, Natasha Zvereva, Mirjana Lučić, Jana Novotná, Kournikova, Mary Pierce and Mahesh Bhupathi. Yes the two with Kournikova count, but the 13.7 million g-test results are a testament to the fact that Kournikova is barely recognized for them. You are not arguing against me, but rather 13.7 million web pages that document her lack of recognition.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:08, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * All that being said, Kournikova is the definitive persona of pop culture. She was the most entered search term for several years and for several years after that continued to be the most searched athlete. She continues to be one of the most searched athletes. As such, it is our responsibility as the keepers of her wikipedia biography to present encyclopedic content related to her place in pop culture.  This article presented commonly and widely accepted content.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:38, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * And, you say all that, and the best we can source for such a section is a minor variation on a cocktail, and a minor nickname for a poker hand? Every poker player I know, and I know quite a few, would call AK "Big Slick', as the IP said a few sections above. If all that is true, then write about that, not this random, minor cruft. Courcelles 16:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No doubt Big Slick is the primary nickname, but Anna gets a mention at List of playing-card nicknames. The pop culture is summarized in the TV guide reference above. That is all we have at this time. However, she is set to host The Biggest Loser this year. Who knows where that will take us.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:08, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Have a look at the Anna Kournikova poker Google books search. P.S. go to the 2nd page to see how many foreign languages the nickname applies to.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Not sure if my google book search foreign language argument was the final straw but the opposing discussant has withdrawn his opposition.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:29, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


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Career ended when it ended.
If a citation can be added that says that her career ended prematurely that would certainly help matters. --Malerooster (talk) 23:26, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks like she was a pro for 8 years? Probably longer than most, but again, that would be original research and subjective without sources, ect. --Malerooster (talk) 23:29, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Show me at least a handful other pro athletes, whose career ended at 21 or younger; in other words, show me where this is not premature. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 01:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Common on, you should know better than that. The owenous is on you because you want to include this subjective material. There are plenty of atheletes that never made it past 20, but that is neither here nor there. She played 8 years as a pro? Plenty of pros have had much shorter careers, but that is also neither here nor there. We relie on what reliable source say and what their determinations say, not what you or I think. Again, if you have a citation for this material, that would help. --Malerooster (talk) 01:13, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Since in general, most sports figures have careers well into their 30s, "prematurely" is not an objective description. I have, however, found a source and inserted it into the article. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 02:48, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course it is. Not sure that a non notable writer blog posting in the opinion section is the best source, but better than nothing I guess. --Malerooster (talk) 02:55, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

I hope someone is planning to go through all the articles of all sportsmen and insert a judgement as to whether their career ended prematurely, belatedly, or just about at the right time. And perhaps someone could add the information to this article about just exactly how long her career was supposed to go on for? Obviously just saying "prematurely" without saying exactly how premature is intolerably imprecise. I await this information with great interest. 200.104.245.226 (talk) 04:17, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I've been waiting for quite some time for someone to come up with the verifiable date that her career should have ended, so that we can confirm that it did indeed end "prematurely". I certainly am surprised that this information has not been forthcoming.  Perhaps, as I argued a year ago, to say that a career ended "prematurely" is simply a point of view which contains no encyclopaedic information and adds absolutely nothing to the article.  Why, then, is it still in the article?  81.133.23.70 (talk) 18:07, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Still waiting. 75.98.19.140 (talk) 12:36, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't give you much, but there's an article here that discusses the increasing longevity of tennis players. Specifically: "Today's top 10 women average 25.1 years in age. That's up from 22.0 in 2002".  It doesn't answer the question directly, but it does indicate that the top players, on average played beyond 22.  In any case, data seems scarce, and the assertion questioned ("premature"?) is almost certainly too vague to directly support or refute. Speed8ump (talk) 20:25, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Personal life section could use citations
Could anybody help "improve" this section by providing more reliable sources and copy editing it? I removed some unsourced material that had been around awhile, but it could use a lot more attention. Thank you, --Malerooster (talk) 01:21, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Deleting questionable, poorly-placed info on WP enforceable grounds of missing cites
How the info on spelling of AK's last name fits into a paragraph about lifestyle is unfathomable. It also is not an accurate statement of Russian phonology or transliteration. For examples, U is not an accurate transliteration for Russian cyrillic Y. There are also no R, no N, no I, and no V in the Russian cyrillic name. However, the grounds on which I deleted the info is it lacks a valid (or any) source citation. The info about the family sometimes using the alternate spelling IS relevant to the article. If s.o. who wants it in the article has a valid source to cite for the info, please place that cite along with the info in a place where the info belongs, if necessary a new section or subsection. (If s.o. adds back this section in an appropriate place with citations, it might also be instructive to explain in a sentence or two why her name has an a at the end, unlike her dad's. Paavo273 (talk) 21:16, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

In the personal life section with regards to long-time boyfriend Enrique Iglesias.
They separated in October 2013, after almost 12 years together. http://hollywoodlife.com/interstitial/?ref=http%3A%2F%2Fhollywoodlife.com%2F2013%2F10%2F09%2Fanna-kournikova-enrique-iglesias-split%2F

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When did she retire?
This page needs to decide when she retired. It says, "Kournikova's professional tennis career ended prematurely at the age of 21," which would be 2002 or 2003. Later it says, "She continued to be the most searched athlete on the Internet through 2008 even though she had retired from the professional tennis circuit years earlier." However, the information bar on the right says "Retired May 2007," which doesn't seem to be consistent with either of those statements. 74.71.90.153 (talk) 18:04, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

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Pregnancy
Why is there no mention of her pregnancy and giving birth to twins?

They reportedly split in October 2013 but have since reconciled. The couple welcomed twins, Nicholas and Lucy, on Saturday, 16 December 2017, at South Miami Hospital.

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The neutrality of the style of writing
This article has been tagged for over 7 months. Yet a talk section has never been added. The edit that added the tag has nothing in the edit summary. Since it is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given, I am removing the tag.---- Work permit (talk) 00:55, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Lead nationality
Not disputing her American citizenship, but I thought only sport nationality was supposed to be identified at the top Scf1985 (talk) 22:12, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Relationship with Iglesias
The paragraph about her relationship with Enrique Iglesias verges on incomprehensible. "She has consistently refused to directly confirm or deny the status of her personal relationships"- this is unsourced; surely a source saying something along the lines of "Kournikova prefers to keep her personal relationships private" or whatever exists? "In June 2008, Iglesias was quoted by the Daily Star as having married Kournikova the previous year and subsequently separated"- this is some actual useful information, but surely ought to be rephrased incorporating the later details of their children to something like "In June 2008, Iglesias was quoted by the Daily Star as having married Kournikova the previous year and subsequently separated; they later reunited [or "resumed their relationship", or something] and have three children: twins Nicholas and Lucy, born on 16 December 2017, and a daughter born, 30 January 2020." It stands to reason that their relationship obviously continued given that a decade after their "separation" they had children together, but the current flow of details is not clear enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.71.133 (talk) 23:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)