Talk:Anna Madgigine Jai Kingsley

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How can Wikipedia allow this page to exist while omitting the most interesting fact about her life which is that after he husband died, she owned,  bought, and sold slaves. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.153.218.243 (talk • contribs).


 * It does say that. The first sentence: Anna Kingsley was a Senegalese slave turned slaveholder and plantation owner...--Cúchullain t/ c 22:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * She bought and sold slaves before her husband died, purchasing them after she was awarded the land grant for 5 acres by the Spanish government {after she was freed.) There were numerous free blacks who owned slaves in the South. An excellent novel about a black slaveowner in Virginia is Edward P. Jones' The Known World, which explores some of the aspects.|

AMAZING
I can't believe I've never heard of this woman! Glad I stumbled upon this. Keep up the good work, everyone. Scott Free 22:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Nationality
Cúchullain: Anna was my great-great-great-great grandmother, so I have a very personal stake in her story. Anna was NOT Senegalese; the nation of Senegal did not exist until the 20th C. Anna (Anta) was a woman of Jolof, most likely a "princess" of the "Kingdom" Jolof. I believe it is wrong (anachronistic) to categorize her as Senegalese, as wrong as saying that Athahualpa was Peruvian, or that Chief Seattle was a from the United States.


 * The problem with that is that it's not indisputable that she was a princess (or even Jolof). That's based on convincing but secondary evidence. For the intro we should stick with what is indisputable, which is that she was from what is now from Senegal. Perhaps we could reword it, how about something like "Anna Kingsley was a slave turned slaveholder and plantation owner from what is now Senegal?"--Cúchullain t/ c 22:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! Can you pls change it to that? Thx! Let´s keep building this page!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.175.236.10 (talk • contribs).


 * I substituted "West African" for "Senegalese"; as that part is uncontroversial, as are her activities when she got to the Americas. I think we ought to rewrite some of what's there about her life in Africa to reflect what grounds there are for thinking she's a princess. I have Schafer's book, I'll try to work on this.--Cúchullain t/ c 17:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Recent edit
I have reverted the recent blanket change to the article. While a lot of good was done, I think overall it chopped up sentences and paragraphs and made it much less readable. I'll go back through and see what can be kept.--Cúchullain t/ c 14:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments
Once again, we can differ on style and other matters. Here are some specific comments.Parkwells (talk) 03:43, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * "Kingsley died soon after, and Anna returned to dispute her husband's relatives contesting Kingsley's will that sought to exclude Anna and her children from inheriting the holdings left to them by Kingsley." Recommend breaking this up and changing it, as it doesn't make sense. "Kingsley died soon after. Anna returned to dispute her husband's relatives' contesting Kingsley's will.   They sought [note: the relatives not the will sought] to exclude A and her children from inheriting the holdings left to them  by Kingsley."


 * "Much of what is known of Kingsley's life in Africa is based on conjecture." This doesn't make sense. Knowledge (what is known) is not based on conjecture. You can say something like, "writers have imagined what Kingsley's life was like based on what is known about the history of the time." But you don't get knowledge from conjecture.

"among" grammatically. A better use is: An issue may be debated among three people - "among" links more than two. Suggest something like "Slave raids were frequent occurrences during the incessant violence that left many small villages deserted."
 * "Slave raids were frequent occurrences among incessant violence" - this is an incorrect use of


 * "Anta's name shared his, and the name of the daughter of a man who attempted unsuccessfully to unseat a Buurba Jolof, or king." The first part is incorrect and the second confusing. "Anta had the same name as he, as well as the name of the daughter ...."[at least this is what you seem to mean].  Anta's name didn't "share" his name, her surname was the same as his. Schaefer's notes, which you list as an external link, say Anta's father was of the Ndiyae line. His notes also say her mother was related to two Buurba Jolofs.


 * Wikipedia article on Gorée with references. "Gorée is famous as a destination for people interested in the Atlantic slave trade. In fact, however,[bolding is mine to highlight it for editors' notice] relatively few slaves were processed or transported from there. The more important centers for the slave trade from Senegal were north, at Saint-Louis, Senegal or to the south in the Gambia, at the mouths of major rivers for trade.[1][2]"  This suggests you should not say that Anna was likely transported from Gorée unless you have a specific source that claims that.  If it's only conjecture, you may want to point out the historical sources that say most slaves departed from other ports.


 * "Spanish colonial government, who was ..." Should be "government, which was". Government is not a "who".


 * " Kingsley granted Anna legal emancipation, although by this time it was perfunctory." I disagree with this use of "perfunctory".  While she already enjoyed high status on the plantation, legal emancipation was critical to her future.  The definition: "performed merely as a routine duty; hasty and superficial": as in, "perfunctory courtesy." Emancipation was not a perfunctory act.

Lede
Changed "Kingsley's unique family" to "Kingsley's unusual family". Unique means "one and only". There were numerous other white men married to African women in East Florida, with multiracial children; there were other white men in polygamous marriages, there were other free blacks who owned slaves, so his family was not unique.Parkwells (talk) 13:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

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