Talk:Anni-Frid Lyngstad/Archive 1

videos
I am going to add a few extra videos for this artist because she did a lot of stuff not tied to albums both before and after ABBA. I should also mention that she did a lot of crappy stuff in the '60s that did not make her notable and should probably be left out. I am not going to be zealous about it, but many big artists did crappy stuff before they hit it big. -- 67.116.253.187 01:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * A complete biography would be complete - ie take up the crappy stuff. And besides: who's to say what's crappy? You?


 * Anni-Frid Lyngstad officially settled in Switzerland as early as August 1984. Her first Swiss residence was in the small town of Schwytz -Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.173.175.4 (talk) 13:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Moved from inline in the article
Whoever wrote the previous line is either an abject moron or an outright propagandist with some ideological axe to grind. The Lebensborn operations only took place on the land of Germany proper, and only utilized fully German women with German SS officers. It is laughable to think that a Wehrmacht or Waffen SS low level non-com such as Frida's father, would have been mated with a non-Germanic, Norweijian woman in Hitler's Lebensborn movement. So who are these silly people making Wikipedia look to be nonsensical? Are they silly Zionists with an interest in re-writing European history? This shows the essential unreliability of Wikipedia. Any idiot can say anything on its pages. - User:99.149.197.200. Moved here by: Steve CarlsonTalk 07:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Who is this Steve Carlson deriding Wikipedians as "abject moron"/"silly zionist"/"idiot" and Wikipedia as "unreliable" when he can't even spell? (That's got to be the most original - but illiterate - misspelling of "Norwegian" ever.) People need to help, not to come here and insult each other, and out themselves by behaving so arrogantly.
 * Seems Mr Carlson is not only rude and arrogant, he's severely undereducated too.
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn
 * "Initially set up in Germany in 1935, Lebensborn expanded into several occupied European countries during the Second World War."

Frida & Ragnar
The claim that Frida and Ragnar seperated shortly after their daughter was born is totally incorrect. They did not in fact separate until early 1969, when Frida moved to Stockholm to tour with Charlie Norman, when Hans was 6 years old and Lotte was almost 2 years old. Many sources with the correct info including interviews and links such as http://members.fortunecity.com/frida2/id20.htm 24.161.150.151 (talk) 18:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Voice type
I added Frida's voice type Mezzo Soprano in her infobox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imadaqu93 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

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fact-check needed...
...on this bit of text: "The album was mostly a collection of covers of songs by artists like the Beach Boys, 10cc and David Bowie" Also, it's not clear which album this bit of text is referring to. I suspect vandalism. --Woozle (talk) 13:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Here We'll Stay
Here We'll Stay from the Something Going On reached #100 in the UK.(Coachtripfan (talk) 21:54, 20 March 2013 (UTC))

Frida & Lebensborn
The subject of Alfred Haase's alleged participation in a Nazi eugenics program comes up in the media from time to time and is added to this article. I believe this is speculation based on circumstantial evidence and should not be added here until strongly sourced. The latest addition(s) repeat information reported many times before in other outlets, some of which is demonstrably false.
 * That is censorship. You should at least mention - as above - that the matter comes up in the media from time to time.

For instance, Alfred Haase is often referred to as a "Nazi" or "SS" officer. In fact, he was an enlisted German army officer of low rank, not SS, and was unlikely a Nazi party member since usually only commissioned officers joined the Nazi party. Lebensborn was specifically set up for SS officers.

The 'Alfred Haase' 1898 - 2000 and high ranking Oberst in the Wehrmacht (And with his own Wiki entry) is NOT the same Alfred Haase who is Frida's father. He lived from 1919 to 2009 and was a sergeant. Have edited to correct this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.211.248.244 (talk) 19:39, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Also, Lebensborn is often referred to as a eugenics or breeding program; it was not such a program, although it may have supported it. It was a system of social support for the children of German SS officers. You only have to read the Wikipedia page to see this.

This allegation is very difficult to prove without documentation or an admission from a principal involved (Either Frida, her father, or other relative). Finland still has the Lebensborn archive from the war years; I don't know if the archive is available to the public or to researchers.

Haase has claimed that his love for Synni Lyngstad was genuine; of course, he may be trying to protect his own reputation. However, if he wanted to keep things quiet he could have. Participating in a eugenics program is a war crime, after all.

We do know that Frida's father was a German soldier, from photos probably a low-ranked enlisted or non-commissioned officer (thus unlikely a member of the Nazi party). It is true that the Germans had started a Lebensborn in Norway, but I have not seen any good evidence Haase was part of it. Krthomas (talk) 00:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Indeed -Lyngstads father was an officer of low rank, and it is pure speculation that his liasion with Lyngstads mother Synni had anything to do with breeding Lebensborn.The british tv programme which dug into this theory was not only on thin ice, but on deep waters. John, Oslo

The available evidence is that Frida was the result of a doomed love affair that lasted two or three years. Haase was a sergeant in the Wermacht (Not SS) and the baby was born at the family home, not at a Lebensborn facility, the nearest being in Narvik.

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved. Number   5  7  16:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Frida Lyngstad → Anni-Frid Lyngstad – As per previous section with no response since 2013. This is a mess. It is not an established fact that her nickname "Frida" (which has been used once as an album title) is better known to English readers than her famous first name Anni-Frid. SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Support that seems to be her ABBA name (and one of the "A"s in ABBA) which is her most widely known name. -- 70.51.46.146 (talk) 04:40, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Support, the A in ABBA! Geschichte (talk) 07:45, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose, I was not a fan of ABBA so I don't have the blinders that fanaticism would have. I only knew of her superficially until "I Know There's Something Going On" blasted MTV promoting the individual name Frida.  That was where she it the American MTV audience as an individual. Trackinfo (talk) 10:40, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know whom you are calling fanatic, but I question the neccessity of doing that and sympathise with anyone you may have insulted. It's a nasty term, isn't it? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:09, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The woman is much more famous (even among non-fanatics) as a member of ABBA than as a solo singer. Her solo career is negligeable compared to being one of the 2 'A's in the group, with all the worldwide hits and sales they had. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:09, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Support I can understand the view that "Anni-Frid Lyngstad" might be an unfamiliar name to MTV viewers in America and that "Frida" (but not "Frida Lyngstad") would be more familiar.  However, Abba were never particularly successful in the United States, compared to the rest of the world.  In the world at large they are probably as well known as The Beatles, and their names (Björn, Benny, Agnetha and Anni-Frid) as well known as John, Paul, George and Ringo.  Perhaps the only other group with such worldwide recognition of all their individual members would be the Spice Girls.  A move to Anni-Frid Lyngstad seems so obvious here on the European side of the Atlantic that it is surprising it is even being discussed.  I would imagine you would get the same reaction from Australia, Japan/the Far East and South America.  Skinsmoke (talk) 07:17, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

, I do not think was calling anyone a "fanatic" - per se. I read the comment as meaning they were not a fan, and was unsure how other "fans" would notice the name change. So to accuse the editor of making an insult with the word "fanaticism", is a little harsh.  Wes  Mouse  14:30, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you're aguing or why. If you don't consider "fanatacism" an offensive word choice in this context, and you think hes used that word because hes wanted us all to understand that hes meant that no one is fanatic but that hirs "fanatcism" sort of exists all by itself in some way, unrelated to anyone actually being fanatic about ABBA, then that's up to you. Do you expect/require all of the rest of us to agree with you on that? If want to reprimand and argue, why not argue with people whose choices of words (obviously to most of us) look offensive, rather than arguing with somemone who notices that offense (obvious to most of us)? Heaven forbid I should have complained clearly. I have to suppose you really would have chewed me out, since you are arguing this at all? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I never knew that making an observational comment was now classified as arguing. Learnt something new today.   Wes   Mouse  19:11, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * If I wanted to use offensive language, I could have chosen much better phraseology. SergeWoodzing was arguing the opposite side of the debate, so he decided to use faux outrage about my comments to raise my ire, maybe to bait me into saying something really offensive and make himself and his side look like a victim.  Its a weak debating technique.  In this case I was not arguing from a position of strength so I lost the debate.  So be it.  Nothing offensive was ever intended. Trackinfo (talk) 20:37, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You proclamation of what I was up to may look good to you, but to me it just looks silly. If I had made the mistake of using the word "fanaticism" in this context, and offended anyone in doing so, I would just apologize and leave it at that. That would make me look good, not (more) accusations about what the intentions of other users are. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 02:39, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Leave well alone. Her full first name is 'Anni-frid' and because of the 'A' it is relevant to the band name 'ABBA'. And she was sometimes formally addressed by her full name in parts of the media, especially in the early days of the band. However, she is undoubtedly best known by her nickname 'Frida' and this was the name that she went under by from the early '70's with her debut solo album and all subsequent ones. She was also almost always referred to as 'Frida' by her bandmates, colleagues and fans. And the same applies to this day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.68.245.211 (talk) 14:32, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Anni-Frid or "Frida" - Lyngstad or Reuss?
I find the naming of this article very strange and especially the first few lines of the article's lede which do not correspond well with the article name. Is it an established fact that her nickname "Frida" is better known (to English readers) than her more official first name Anni-Frid? I, for one, think not. As "Frida Lyngstad" she should be referred to in short as "Lyngstad" throughout the article; as a princess (which she undoubtedly is) she should be referred to as Anni-Frid (obviously never as "Frida"); and as a Princess Reuss, she should be referred to as Reuss. Anybody else think this is a mess, or is it just me and my befuddled brain? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:32, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * In the Wikipedia article it says "1970 – 1978: Anni-Frid Synni Lyngstad (after divorce from Ragnar Fredriksson)." This is not correct. In an interview on YouTube (regrettably I don't have the link), she said that throughout her ABBA years her name remained Anni-Frid Synni Frederickson, which, as she pointed out, was the name in her passport. 80.153.193.77 (talk) 12:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * See WP:NPOVNAME, which I think covers this explicitly - when the subject of an article is referred to mainly by a single common name, as evidenced through usage in a significant majority of English-language reliable sources, Wikipedia generally follows the sources and uses that name as its article title (subject to the other naming criteria). Also, WP:BIRTHNAME comes into play here too, while the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known, the subject's full name should be given in the lead paragraph, if known (including middle names, if known, or middle initials). Many cultures have a tradition of not using the full name of a person in everyday reference, but the article should start with the complete version. Other policies that should also be taken into consideration, especially as per WP:BLP we are to be utmost strict on policies when dealing with living people, are MOS:IDENTITY, MOS:SURNAME, WP:GIVENNAME, and MOS:HONORIFIC. Perhaps reading into those first before making a decision is advisable.  Wes Mouse  &#10002;  14:10, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Anni-Frid Lyngstads 'Princess' Title
While there is no doubt Ms Lyngstad married a man with a title of 'Prince', and thus received the title 'Princess', I see little importance in addressing her with '..Serene Highness...' after her Husbands death. Ms Lyngstad has little or no relation to her late husbands family today, and titling her 'Princess' seems unnessasairy as it is her late husbands children who inherits the family titles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaffelars (talk •

She in fact still has relations with her two step-daughters (they have accompanied her to public events in recent times) and with other family members for all we know. She doesn't lose her title because of being widowed. contribs) 10:25, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not up to you. It's how things are done in Switzerland and Europe. You ever been?

I'm nowegian, as Anni-Frid, and live in Europe, Austria to be precise. Anni-Frid had her Princess title while she was married to Prince Ruzzo. She does not keep this title as she is in a relationship with a new man. Prince Ruzzos daughters have the Princess titles belonging to the House of Ruzzo Reuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.46.130.175 (talk) 17:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * A woman who marries a prince becomes a princess and remains a princess for the rest of her life, as long as she has not (1) divorced the prince or (2) remarried after his death or (3) renounced her title. Whatever non-marital relationships she may have make no difference whatsoever. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:25, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

FWIW there is no such thing as a princess nowadays. Nobility has been legally abolished in both Germany and Switzerland. The former nobility titles are now merely parts of the family name, and therefore put behind the Christian name - as opposed to before the abolition, when they were put in front. Apparently here family name is hyphenated Lyngstad-Prinzessin von ... etc. The "serene highness" bit is completely bogus, no such thing exists in German or Swiss law (whichever may be applicable to that marriage). Anorak2 (talk) 11:48, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * There are indeed still princesses today, as there are many functioning monarchies not just in Europe, but around the world. As for Switzerland, there have never been royals in Switzerland, only nobility (i.e. Counts of Geneva, Counts of Hapsburg, etc.), no princes. In Germany, while nobility has been legally abolished, royals still are referred to in the media by the traditional styles and titles they would inherit and are recognized as such by foreign noble houses and royal courts. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:41, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Infobox image change
Hey, if anybody's reading this, I've changed the Lyngstad infobox image to showcase her neutral expression – which of course, will blend in with this encyclopedia website – so to make the subject of the article easily identifiable. I don't see how a profile of a subject will make it easily identifiable Misterpither (talk) 01:34, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * But she is well known by her smile. I placed a similar image. Anjo-sozinho (talk) 23:57, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

1967 non-artistic photo of Lyngstad uploaded specifically for "Early Works"
I uploaded a photo of early Frida (1967) PD image of early Frida. I added the permission text to make things clear about the status of the photo; Misterpither (talk) 01:43, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Swedish Singles
For much of the 1960's and 70's the Svensktoppen Chart was seen as important as the Kvallstoppen/Topplistan, which was not thought totally reliable at that time. Elsewhere on Wikipedia, other musical artists have had their singles performance on the Svensktoppen chart listed. I do not know how to edit another column into the Swedish Singles section myself but here is the list of singles by Anni-Frid Lyngstad that made top ten and their peak positions on the Svensktoppen chart.

1969  Harlig Ar Var Jord                   # 8 1970  Dar Du Gar Lamnar Karleken           # 9 1971  En Kvall Om Sommarn                  # 9 1971  Min Egen Stad                        # 1  (1 week) 1972  Man Vill Ju Leva Lite Dessemellan    # 1  (3 weeks) 1975  Fernando (Original Swedish Version)  # 1  (9 weeks)
 * ✅ Misterpither (talk) 13:31, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

"Frida as an environmentalist" photo request
I have added a photo request header in the talk page for Frida's 1990s career, where she upgraded from being a solo singer to an environmentalist. Misterpither (talk) 20:36, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The photo can include her being with high-profiled people (not necessarily, but; e.g. King Carl XVI Gustaf, etc.), and/or being at a public (or private) event (e.g. Stockholm Water Festival) dealing with the environment. This goes well since there is a passage in the article where Frida became a chairwoman of an environmental organisation.
 * BUT it has to be freely licensed since she is a living person and it allows the photo to seam along with the Creative Commons license that the article is licensed under, as written by the date.
 * OTRS (if the copyright holder grants permission via email) or own work (must be absolutely verifiable; i.e. film scans or digital metadata, not license laundering) is appreciated.

Father repeatedly specified as Nazi
As partially covered in the "Lebensborn" section above, Ms. Reuss's father has not been reliably sourced as being any kind of prominent Nazi. Yet that label keeps being added to the article, lately even improperly linked so as to imply that Germans are Nazis. This mischief needs to stop. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:54, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Make up your mind. Either he was a "Nazi", per your title, or "any kind of prominent Nazi" per your text. Both things are not synonymous. Actually the majority of the worst crimes may have been ordered by "any kind of prominent Nazi", but were committed by the hands of SS and Wehrmacht staff who were far too irrelevant to even warrant monitoring or trial after the war. That doesn't mean they weren't Nazis. As for all Germans being Nazis, nobody said that. Here, chew on this for a while. CodeInconnu (talk) 14:09, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Proposals?
This subjected article, while informative, but lacks proper sources, for example... "Frida truly liked touring" is sourced from "ABBA fan interview 1975", needs some changes. Source adding can be easily done without consensus, But in my opinion, there is more to fixing this article; but it would require consensus in order to achieve it. Here are my suggestions Misterpither (talk) 22:23, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the article don't need an infobox as it clogs up 1/3 of the article (if you omit the discography section) and adds repetition, rather it should be presented in full prose form. (For example, articles George Formby and Claudia Cardinale). The infobox has had been shifted from musical artist to person and to royalty for the past 5 years. Some may think it is unusual for an article about a royalty to have no infobox but for most of her career Lyngstad has worked as a singer more years than she is a royalty figure.
 * A distinctly separate discography page of Anni-Frid Lyngstad needs to be created, but I want to ensure that one will reach this consensus to proceed so to curb the edit wars.
 * In the Later Career section, have the article talk about her financial involvement in the Catherine Johnson musical Mamma Mia with proper, credible sources. The Mamma Mia! article mentions Lyngstad's involvement but has no body paragraphs explaining it with references in both the musical and the bio article. Omit that statement for both articles, if no sources could be founded.
 * The article would require minimal copyediting and clarity - the article, in body sections, is partial of informal language which does not abide to the rest of the other articles, in which it displays formal objective English grammar. There is conflicting name referencing to Anni-Frid, that it changes between Frida and Lyngstad, especially in the early life, although I have done some to curb that. The names should be referred by its surname as is, per MOS. Even though she is known mononymously as Frida, the article still needs to refer by her surname.

Shine
"The follow-up Shine was a total flop and proved her last foray into the international music world" Certainly this could be written better so not to add insult to the artist? how about "Shine however reported low album sales..." or " Shine did not meet fans high expectations of the album.." or anything less offensive to her.

Shine certainly wasn't a major hit but calling it "a total flop" is simply factually wrong. It made Top 20 (and Top 10 in some territories) in several European countries. It wasn' t released in North America, so it didn't chart there. I guess "moderately successful" is the most appropriate description for its overall success. Commercially, "total flop" usually is when the recording doesn't chart at all anywhere, and here we have a Top 10 record.

Scholar91

My name is earl Delano Carr. Frida is my cousin according to MyHeritage DNA. I too have lymphoma. And related to King Harold VIII of Norway. I have the Haplo Gp N231 a true Viking from my grandfather Obidah Moore. I am a member of Sons of Norway Atlanta, GA. Kjrr5 (talk) 19:36, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

My name is earl Delano Carr. Frida is my cousin according to MyHeritage DNA. I too have lymphoma. And related to King Harold VIII of Norway. I have the Haplo Gp N231 a true Viking from my grandfather Obidah Moore. I am a member of Sons of Norway Atlanta, GA. Kjrr5 (talk) 19:36, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Frida
My name is earl Delano Carr. Frida is my cousin according to MyHeritage DNA. I too have lymphoma. And related to King Harold VIII of Norway. I have the Haplo Gp N231 a true Viking from my grandfather Obidah Moore. I am a member of Sons of Norway Atlanta, GA. Kjrr5 (talk) 19:38, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Tyskerbarnas
An interesting piece in The Guardian, from 2002,here. Should some of the details be added? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:10, 8 March 2021 (UTC)