Talk:Annika Östberg/Archive 1

Icon for the Swedish left?
Removed "She is an icon for the Swedish left." since it sounds strange and seems to be some misunderstanding. 213.66.229.162 13:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Also removed from Annika disambiguation page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ossifer (talk • contribs) 06:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Delete Proposal
Personally, I have not heard of her. I tried to find a source that she has been convicted of felony murder by searching for her (under her married and also her maiden name). However I found nothing in the BBC, CNN and the New York Times. This article has been tagged for citations for over a month, and still contains no citations, and the only external links a personal homepage and some links in Swedish (I assume, unfortunately I do not speak Swedish). The whole article is about a crime that she has allegedly done, but I have not been able to varify this (and noone else has done so in since it was tagged).


 * My my you must be extraordinarily ungifted at using the Internet. Is this all you can do? Police around here at Wikipedia, finding articles to delete? Why don't you write something instead? You do know how to write?

Reasons for deletion:
 * All attempts to find reliable sources to which article information can be verified have failed
 * By you. You're not exactly very good at this sort of thing.

Thehalfone 07:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Biographies of living persons Any assertion in a biography of a living person that might be defamatory if untrue must be sourced. Without reliable, third-party sources, a biography will violate our content policies of No original research and Verifiability, and could lead to libel claims.

Arguments against deletion: Ossifer (talk) 07:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Simply because supporting references are not available in English, does not inherently negate the validity of the article.
 * The first reference currently list is a news article, in English, which does validate the two convictions of felony murder. It's not the New York Times, but it does cite respected Swedish newspapers.

Some weird references to other crimes
Yiwa Yiwa (talk) 07:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * First I must say that I am a swede, but I understand above criticism...this article may not have any interest outside of Sweden, but to the parties involved in her case.
 * Now to the main criticism. Why should references to the Malexander murders be made? The case is not similar. Their actions were from start driven by cruelty and disrespect for people around them (it started with a meticuluos planned armed robbery that led to a car chase that ended in the murders of the two policemen in a wartime execution-style) and the defendants were all aware of every step they made. Annika Östberg was a drug addict that happened to be in a precarious situation that made her to be present while her boyfriend murdered two people. I would not dare to interfere in a situation like that!

Sweden has only a political interest in this case. She has spent most of her life in America, and was convicted of killing Americans. Everything you have written is entirely POV. You continue by ignoring the facts of the case. She killed a man in 1972. Then helped kill 2 more, including pre-meditaded murder. When they tried to arrest her, she tried to kill the police. You paint it as a Swedish woman victimized by America, yet she was in America many years before she decided to become a cold blooded murderer. Certainly if you completely ignore facts, you can make anyone look sympathetic, but even she admitted to killing. You are perpetuating a lie started by people who were on the other side of the planet and have nothing to do with the case. Promontoriumispromontorium (talk) 10:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Sources and Grammar
This article needs a lot of work. It seems to have been written by someone with a loose grasp of English. Some people here think it needs more sources, I can provide one: http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091117/A_NEWS/911170311/-1/a_news#STS=g24in642.17xa Promontoriumispromontorium (talk) 10:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Section on Swedish Malexander murders removed
I have removed the section quoted below. I fail to see that a comparison to the Malexander murders is at all relevant, and the article gives no reference to support that "the Malexander comparison" has been notable in Swedish debate, or even used. Nor is there any mention of this in the Swedish Wikipedia.
 * [...] despite the somewhat similar "Malexander" case, in which Andreas Axelsson has been denied a fixed-length sentence for the murder of two Swedish policemen. The difference was that Axelsson actually fired his gun, even if it could not be proven that he hit.

Accusativen hos Olsson (talk) 05:06, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Why Does This Article Even Exist?
Unless this is someone famous who actually has some prior fame or reason for being on Wikipedia before conviction, this is just some article someone wrote someday when they were bored. I searched sources in ALL LANGUAGES and found little to nothing that can support this article. I'm even looking here on this Talk page, and you all are removing or avoiding things that could HELP this article. I know I'm a stranger passing by, and I'm not usually one to recommend deletion for articles... But this article just upsets me since there are way better things to write and argue about. Good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.186.116.27 (talk) 19:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)