Talk:Anodea Judith

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Additional Material
I have added more extensive data, including Books and Recorded material and Links.Rosencomet 18:58, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Birthname, sourcing and listcruft
In the first edition of Wheels of Light, the author mentions that her name at one point was "A. Judith Mull." I was going to add that to the article, but wanted clarification on what her birthname actually was. Judith Mull, I assume. Also, I can't remember the source (a Pagan zine, most likely), but I do think mention of her famous brother is appropriate, if we can source it.

I've removed the "list of appearances". Per Thatcher's statement in the Starwood Arbitration, these lists really don't add to the articles. I think appearances at events are only worth including if they are somehow notable/important to the career of the subject, and if they are important/notable in their career that information should be integrated into the article in a meaningful way that does not assert undue importance. ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫ ♦ ♫ 00:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I totally disagree. A list of appearances is just as notable to a professional lecturer and workshop facilitator as a bibliography is to an author and a discography is to a recording artist. The venues that a lecturer appears at and the ones that will engage them tell a LOT about their careers, and there is no better way to present them than in a bulleted list. To try to write text incorporating them is as ridiculous as trying to write text for an author incorporating all their book titles, publishers, publication dates and ISBN numbers, yet this is obviously notable data. This material is encyclopedic. Rosencomet 01:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I totally agree with Kathryn. Appearances should be notable or important in the career of the artist. Otherwise, you should include everyone who ever appeared or workshopped even if they are not famous or are defamed. BackMaun 00:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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 * The notability of appearances at sufficiently notable venues is self-evident. If the venue is notable, the appearance is notable, IMO, and therefore worth mention in their article. How do you determine the notability of a venue for this purpose? I would start with: has the venue got it's own Wikipedia article? Rosencomet 21:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I own a copy of Rosemary Ellen Guiley's The Encyclopedia Of Witches and Witchcraft: Second Edition. On page 180 it says Anodea Judith was born Judith Ann Mull on Dec. 1, 1952 in Elyria, OH. Also says one of her brothers is Martin Mull. I've added this information. --63.235.17.36 07:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Good find! I've added Guiley as a source. ~ Kathryn NicDhàna  ♫ ♦ ♫ 02:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Note from Anodea Re: Columbia Pacific University
"Columbia Pacific was more than a correspondence school, but it was a distance learning program like many others that exist today. Though I received my Ph.D. in 1999, I was aware of what was happening when they got shut down shortly afterward.  The CDCA made their judgment without ever setting foot on campus, without interviewing any of the students or teachers, and without just information or representation. It was clearly a political move, and an unfortunate one, as Columbia Pacific was a place where students could create their own programs and follow courses that actually had meaning for them."

''Moved from article; recommend deletion of the paragraph concerning CPU from the article as extraneous, argumentative, and inappropriate. Such information belongs on a CPU article (if any), not here in a biographical article about a living person, IMO.'' Rosencomet 21:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Chakra System
Anodea Judith is indeed an expert on the Chakra System, even though HER system may be a departure from more commonly-known systems. In the same way, Raymond Buckland is an expert on Wicca, even though the system he created (Seax-Wicca) is new, and Aleister Crowley was an expert on Magic and Ceremonial Magic even though his system (Thelema) was a departure from those he studied. One might argue that you really have to be an expert in something to create a whole new version of it, but aside from that, Anodea Judith can discuss and contrast her system against the others she has studied for decades and is an expert on.Rosencomet (talk) 21:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

There are many things Anodea Judith's system may or may not "resemble", but this is opinion, nor does it contradict anything in the article. I have searched and cannot find any statement by Judith that her work is based on Leadbeater's, and in fact CAN find statements to the contrary. There are also authors who have compared the two, but make no actual connection between them. Unless some statement can be found by Judith that her work is BASED on Leadbeater's, this is unsupported and non-encyclopedic. If you want to say that Anodea Judith's system is one using a New Age approach rather than being either the classic Hindu or Buddhist system, that's self evident. But there's nothing I've found to say it's based on Leadbeater specifically, even though he pre-dates her as an author on Chakras who takes a Western approach.Rosencomet (talk) 21:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC)