Talk:Another (novel)

Question about the book
would Another be at a Book store in the U.S perferably near New Jersey? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.248.108.124 (talk) 07:45, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not translated into English.--  十  八  08:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. You can buy it as ebook, and there's no a hardcover copy available for around $20 US. I'm admin for the fan wiki; I need to know these things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.5.42 (talk) 03:58, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Plot
I'm reading the manga and the novel. So far have readed the 3 first manga tankôbon, and up to Interlude I of the novel (about 1/3). I just added some plot, but it could be certainly improved in copyedit and redaction (I have several things to add but can't find a way of expressing it in few paragraphs). So far first edit is about 3/4 of the story until Interlude I. What's left until there is Kôichi's visits to the puppet store, her talks with Mei and the first death. Will add more as I progress in the reading. pmt7ar (talk) 22:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The plot should not be overly detailed. Mention the major points of the plot and summarize the rest, leaving out anything unimportant. See WP:WAF, WP:JUSTPLOT and WP:PLOTSUM.--  十  八  02:49, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Either way, we've gotta make it concise. -017Bluefield (talk) 05:08, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Yomiyama Misaki's gender
We know how difficult can be to determine gender in japanese. Language and pronouns are genderless, and most names are unisex. The first reference to Misaki Yomiyama' gender was on the second half of the novel. pmt7ar (talk) 17:55, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Novel, chapter 10, page 384, 「二十六年前のミサキはーその生徒は男子だったんですか. それとも女子？」「男子だよ」
 * Manga adaptation, volume 3, page 18, 「事故で亡くなったのは夜見山岬という男子生徒だった」
 * You dead sure about this? -017Bluefield (talk) 18:09, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Was that a question or a challenge? I haven't finished the novel, maybe in the last page we know Chibiki was lying and was a girl. In that sense, no, I'm not dead sure. What I do know is that the prologue, the interludes and the summaries that were used did not specify any gender "あの生徒", "あいつが死んでいない". So there was absolutely no basis on why it was taken as female to start with. The first reference to it is the one I quoted before, so at the moment we can use that as ground to define its gender.pmt7ar (talk) 18:30, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. First, that was a serious question. Second, I'm just hoping you're right about this. :-/
 * -017Bluefield (talk) 22:51, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * First, do NOT edit others comments (WP:TPO). Let my typos and non native grammar as it is. Second, what do you mean your "hoping" I'm right about that? This is not a roulette game. I don't want you to trust me, and I won't take responsability for anything, I'm just an editor. If you think that she was a "she", be free to edit in and explain it so there are no doubts. I noted here for the archive the references I used to state that. (BTW, know japanese or may I translate the quotations?). pmt7ar (talk) 23:23, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly. We're editors who help the article, not (unknowingly) harm it (no offense - I mean, I've done that when I was younger). And besides, no one else will trust Wikipedia if there's not even a baseline amount of trust here. (P.S. Yeah, I know Japanese. I'll see what I can do.) -017Bluefield (talk) 02:07, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

The novel says clearly that 1972's Misaki is a boy. I've already finished reading it and it didn't changed, so now I'm dead sure he is "he". Already posted the references and exact quotations. So, where do this "she is a girl" come from? pmt7ar (talk) 17:14, 30 January 2012 (UTC) Here is a pic of Yomiyama Misaki from the manga adaptation. Seems more a boy than a girl. That scene corresponds with chapter 15-4 of the novel (about pages 594-600), when Kouichi shows Misaki the graduation photo of that year (it's the photo mentioned in the introduction, where the death Misaki appears). pmt7ar (talk) 17:30, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Even though Yomiyama Misaki's a girl in the manga? -017Bluefield (talk) 23:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yomiyama Misaki is not a girl in the manga. I quoted the manga saying it was a boy. Plus the picture I just linked before is the Yomiyama Misaki in the manga. He's a boy. In the novel and in the manga. Where did you see or read it's a girl? I have the manga to check it. pmt7ar (talk) 23:52, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Just checked. Oops. (btw I couldn't see the photo) -017Bluefield (talk) 00:19, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Summary
I found a site with a summary in a XLS file. It has a summary for each chapter and each subsection, with page numbers to easy cross-check. I think it would be of great help to summarize the Plot section, even those who haven't read the original work. It's in japanese, and obviously spoilers. http://longfish.cute.coocan.jp/pages/2010/100404_another/. pmt7ar (talk) 05:54, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Waiting, and waiting...
Did someone abandon the summary section? 'Cause no one's done anything real helpful recently. -017Bluefield (talk) 22:42, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * There is no deadline, editors go and come. It could take years or even freeze in this stage forever, that's how wikipedia works. What can we do if editors don't contribute now? We can just leave it as that or improve it ourselves, but not demand others to do it.pmt7ar (talk) 23:02, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I completely rewrote the plot but didn't go very far in the story. Do we want it to be comprehensive or is the new one enough? I at least feel this version is better than the previous one in so far as it has closure, whereas the other one just stopped halfway through the story. I figured we could leave it until someone wrote something better.Juniper4589 (talk) 13:44, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Sequel, spin-off, and OVA
The author of Another has just tweeted that he's working on a spin-off called "Another S" and is planning a sequel. Apparently, there's also an OVA planned about Mei and her cousin to be released in May. Here's the link to his tweet. Which section should the information be added in? Juniper4589 (talk) 19:10, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * First, let's wait until it appears somewhere else (a secondary source). Tweets are not reliable source, even from authorized accounts. Then it could go in a new subsection under Media. pmt7ar (talk) 22:10, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Spoilers in character section
I know that according to Spoiler we don't need to show spoiler warnings, but that same policy also mentions that spoilers are implied by certain section headings: "Plot" and "Ending". I don't think the "Characters" section falls into that category. Ideally, the Characters section wouldn't contain pieces of the plot at all. Would it be possible to re-write some of the character synopses to remove important plot points, possibly shifting them to the Plot section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.215.151.6 (talk) 14:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean but please keep in mind that this article is about the novel and not the anime. The novel is finished (even if the anime is still on-going) which is why this information is included. No one is complaining about the 'spoilers' in the 666 Satan or Ergo Proxy character summaries yet people seem extremely bothered by the similar information presented here. I think it unlikely that there will be a consensus to edit the spoilers out of the character summaries, but you are welcome to try! Juniper4589 (talk) 14:55, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

-As someone who has seen the full anime I have to say that this is still really really bad. There are some gigantic spoilers that, whether watching or reading, it can really ruin a lot of things for people if they read this article first. At the very minimum there really does need to be a spoiler warning regardless of if it's absolutely required or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.83.160.48 (talk • contribs) 05:35, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Not only should spoilers not be removed per WP:SPOILER, but spoiler warnings should also not be given per WP:NDA. Anyone reading Wikipedia about a fictional work should expect there to be spoilers.--  十  八  05:35, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I tweaked the names of the characters to reflect how they are introduced in the series, for example, Mei's mother is Kirika and is referred to as such in the manga (and anime credits) throughout the series; her real name and identity is revealed near the end. And Reiko is listed as Reiko without the Mikami part. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:21, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Anime edits
During the airing of the show, there were recurrent IP editors changing the characters section. I reverted such several times, as in other reverts it was stated that the article is about the novel (well, it's on the title), not on adaptations. Since all were by IP, I reverted them without much thinking, as the anime called attention to the article anyway. But now Player017 incorpored them with "In the anime..." on a couple of characters. What should we do on that matter?

My opinion is that we kept the article on the novel, since almost all involving secondary characters is different in both adaptations, and sometimes contradictory among them. If adding the manga, we will have "Izumi did A. In the anime she did not do A but B. In the manga she did C." Which I don't find quite neat.

The anime events are detailed on the anime episodes list article, that's 100% anime. I propose removing the anime events from plot and characters section, and instead putting them on the anime episodes list article, OR, do a "Differences with Anime" and "Differences with Manga" subsections to that end.pmt7ar (talk) 00:54, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

No comments? pmt7ar (talk) 05:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

If no objections I'll revert it as it was originally. All the "in the anime..." notes on characters section are already noted on the anime episode list article; it won't be a content removal, just a discrimination of the work with an adaptation, whose differences stated together could result confusing. pmt7ar (talk) 05:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that adding in needless plot summary of an adaptation should not be done, and keeping it in the episode summaries is best.--  十  八  09:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, it would make more sense to make a list of Another characters for the novel, manga, and anime. -017Bluefield (talk) 15:20, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's superflous and not relevant to the topic. It would be more detailed on an adaptation that the very work. For example Aya Ayano is an anime original character with little if no influence on the story. If you add it we may add Kazue Satou, Matsuko Arita, Megumi Tatara, San Watanabe, Yukito Tsujii, Haruka Etou, and other 15 anime-only character only made because they needed to graphically fill the classroom seats. Then you'll have a character lists with 20 characters that doesn't exist on the original Another and doesn't do anything.
 * Plus the main hindrance, is that the variations do contradict some statements of the original plot, leading to confusions. I proposed previously that if needed we create on this or in the episode list article a "differences with the novel" subsection to state that. Stating "X was A and died on C making him one of the three Deaths of July. In the anime he was B and died D making him one of the nine Deaths of August", in my opinion, should be avoided. The article is about Ayatsuji's novel, the anime just got a focus recently, but it's by all ends and adaptation. pmt7ar (talk) 15:44, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't mind "in the manga" or "in the anime" where it sets up the context of the characters, but I agree that the spoilers of the differences in how they die can be kept in the plot summary. I also agree that secondary characters from the manga and anime that are likely episodic need not be listed. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:25, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

True Events - Murders
Was this story not loosely based on true events? Or at least the back story? I didn't see if the article mentioned that. I know the main character's name was slightly changed from the real person's out of respect for the families.

Another takes place in 1998, Kobe Child Murders, March 1997. Mei and the main character make referrences to this real life event that had happened a year ago.

The rantings of the murderer seem to be a theme in the anime, at least where "non-existing-people" are concerned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakakibara_Seito — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.39.208.230 (talk) 20:36, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you show us the citations or links for those? -017Bluefield (talk) 22:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Character descriptions
The section describes the characters as they are in the anime. However, it also describes their deaths as they occur in the novel. It's disorienting, to be honest. —017Bluefield (talk) 22:28, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, if the method in which the characters die in the anime are different than in the novel then the novel deaths should be given higher priority, and the anime deaths could be mentioned after, like this "In the novel ... dies by ... although in the anime they are killed when ... " etc. Something looking like this may suffice. I haven't read the novel but this may be the best way to handle this matter so we should probably enlist someone who is familiar with the novel to rewrite this section. KirtZJ Talk 23:02, 3 August 2013 (UTC)


 * It's what I brought up in "Anime edits" talkpage section. The depictions in this article should follow the novel only, all events involving characters in the anime are kept in the List of anime episodes article. However I don't find the current article to describe characters as in the anime (I reverted some of those 2 weeks ago). If you find something not backed by the novel please add a citation needed tag and I'll search for it, as I did some time ago adding page references to each controversial statement.pmt7ar (talk) 23:06, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * So, to summarize: novel version first, manga/anime version after? —017Bluefield (talk) 23:33, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, forgot to mention: the voice actors are for the anime adaption, right? So why are they in the "novel-only" article? —017Bluefield (talk) 23:37, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Really? That's like asking why anime voice actors are listed in the character sections of manga articles. This isnt a "novel-only" article as you can clearly see by the Media section; the (novel) word in brackets is only for disambiguation purposes. Maybe we should split the character section into their own article in that case. We shouldnt give this article special treatment just because it is a novel. Treating it the same as a manga/anime article works fine. KirtZJ Talk 23:52, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think the character section is long enough to warrant a split; see WP:AVOIDSPLIT.--  十  八  02:28, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Query about category
Would this fit in the Category:Japanese children's novels (bearing in mind that there is no separate category for Japanese young adult novels)? It seems as if it might from the setting, but is it written for adults? Robina Fox (talk) 18:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Possibly. The English version of the manga got classified as Older Teen / Young Adult, and light novels are grouped under Japanese children's novels too. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:20, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

deaths in August characters
Should the side characters even be mentioned? Like the one who dies from a heart attack, and the list of random characters who died of various things in August. One is just noted as being a classmate of Akazawa's. At least from the manga side they don't even last long to warrant a chapter. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 08:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

While we're at it, why label characters as "he died (this way) so makes it the Death in April". The storyline does not restrict the curse to one death per month, especially given the bus accident and the other year that had the 17 deaths. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 09:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I've commented out the deaths in August characters. Unless the novel treats them as major characters, I've only seen them as incidentals in the manga, mentioned by name only in one or two scenes but no strong focus on them for a chapter. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:12, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Reiko's desc VA help
Need some help with the footnote that relates the voice actor for Mikami. The anagram has been pointed out on several forums but need a more formalized reliable source to state it. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 09:06, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

reference in the book
The book references the Kobe child murders. Maybe should put that in somewhere? Predated0 (talk) 21:52, 17 September 2019 (UTC)