Talk:Another Eden

Actual Chrono connections
I know they both share Kato and Mitsuda, and feature time-travel, but is there really any actual sources declaring it a "spiritual sequel"? Furthermore, some of this stuff like "The C in the logo is meant to look like Chrono's logos" or "The cat is similar to Janus's cat Alfador" - are there sources stating that the developers intended this?

If the answer is "No", then it needs to be removed per Wikipedia's policy of No Original Research. Sergecross73  msg me  13:29, 3 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Follow up on this: Again, the claim of spiritual successor needs to verified by reliable sources, which is the very foundation of the website. Basically, if that status is neither official nor stated by sources, and as such, can't be labeled as one on Wikipedia.


 * For it to be labeled as a "spiritual successor", you need a reliable source directly stating it. It can't be based off of common staff or themes, or your analysis that certain characters look similar to Chrono characters. That violates Wikipedia's original research policy, it can't be placed in article unless reliable sources are saying exactly that. You'd need a source that literally says "Another Eden is a spiritual successor to the Chrono series.


 * For a list of sources that are commonly considered usable or not usable for video game articles, please see WP:VG/S. That Kinja/TAY source you've referenced would not be usable. It violates WP:USERG, as basically anyone can create an account at that website and write whatever they want there. (TAY stands for "talk among yourselves" - its just where messageboard goers blog and talk. And in the comments, the writer even concedes that there's no actual spiritual successor status. Sergecross73   msg me  13:30, 5 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was about to say that this entire article was written in a way that only compares it to Xenogears and the Chronos series. Kato and Mitsuda have done other projects (together even), so why only mention the same three games over and over at every point in the article? It's as if that was the only way to get this game notable enough to have an article on it. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 18:09, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, with the article's original creator being...less unresponsive...than I would have liked to my talk page messages (here and their talk page), I'd taken to rewriting the article myself. I've removed all instances of it being a spiritual sequel - I have not seen the term used once anywhere in any sources I've come across, so the claim seems to be WP:OR. That being said, I was responsible for some of the instances of including Chrono Trigger and Xenogears. Kato and Mitsuda worked on all 3 Chrono entries, but sources only seem to mention Trigger as an inspiration, and Xenogears as another example of them working together. While I'm okay with the Chrono series comment changes, using Xeno series is less than optimal wording - the only entry where they actually collaborated was on Xenogears. Kato never worked on any other entries, and Mitsuda on only about half.
 * On a sidenote: I almost made this article a year or so back, but decided not to because the sourcing is so weak. I had the same concerns upon finding this article recently, but digging it up, it looks like the website Game.Watch.Impress has done a ton of lengthy articles on the game, and it appears WP:VG/S lists it at reliable, so I don't think there are any notability issues anymore. Sergecross73   msg me  18:31, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Sources for future use

 * http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/09/21/smart-phone-rpg-another-eden-features-talent-from-chrono-trigger Sergecross73   msg me  22:24, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Mitsuda/soundtrack
I thought we had discussed it here in the past, but maybe it was just through edit summaries - before, there seemed to be question as to how much of the music was provided by Mitsuda. I happened to stumble across the soundtrack on Apple Music today. It looks like Mitsuda is credited for about 6 of the 60 songs. FYI. Sergecross73  msg me  21:55, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think I brought that up a while ago when trying to confirm if he just had written the theme song (which usually means he's omitted from the infobox and instead placed in prose along with an explanation), or more than that. As it's the latter, he belongs in the infobox, but below the other two lead composers who did the majority of the soundtrack. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed on all points. Sergecross73   msg me  02:47, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

English release sources

 * https://kotaku.com/chrono-trigger-s-writer-made-a-mobile-jrpg-thats-not-de-1832159870 - Most are just rehashed “the game is out” announcements but this one dig into the game more. Sergecross73   msg me  17:34, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * https://www.rpgfan.com/review/another-eden-the-cat-beyond-time-and-space/ Sergecross73   msg me  20:34, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Release dates
The article incorrectly stated that it was released worldwide in January 2019, I fixed this, but I didn't list any release dates for several regions, because I'm not sure if they also got it on the same date as North America and Australia did or not. Can anyone find out when the game was released in Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau from (a) reliable source(s)? SakoeraTyan (talk) 14:08, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:VG/DATE we only really mention English speaking regions for this sort of thing in the lead/infobox. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:44, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ”Worldwide” isn’t meant to literally mean every country in existence, it’s more of a term to be used rather than awkwardly listing off massive lists of countries/regions. Sergecross73   msg me  02:29, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * So "worldwide" refers to primarily English-speaking regions. But in this particular case, the game wasn't released in Europe on its original release date that is January 28, 2019, until now on June 26, 2019. The official site lists the regions. So now, I suggest that, in compliance with WP:VG/DATE, we remove "worldwide/WW" and list North America (which includes Canada) and Australia for the original release date (Singapore is also an English-speaking country but perhaps too specific). For the new launch date, we can use "worldwide" since it now includes Europe and New Zealand, making the game to be released "worldwide" as of June 26, 2019. LightKeyDarkBlade (talk) 20:16, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree we should split the regions but exclude Singapore, as we almost never mention them for release purposes. EDIT: Actually, where do you see the June 26 date for Europe? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:22, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Other than the official social media pages, there're barely any news articles reporting about the release, at least reliable ones according to WP:VG/S. But I see that you've already made the edits. LightKeyDarkBlade (talk) 08:48, 27 June 2019 (UTC)