Talk:Ant tribe

Help please
I'm having a hard time deciphering the points in this section. Can someone help me out?

Supporting details

 * Macroscopic reasons:
 * with the rapid development of scientific technology
 * advancement of productive forces ✅, if this relates to factory workers
 * economy is increasing more and more vigorously. ✅, if this relates to the significant increases in housing since 2003
 * Attracted by the rich material life and proud identity living in the city, most graduates from the countryside are inclined to stay in the city. (I think I'm good here) ✅
 * The increase of the needs of graduates from society doesn’t coordinate with the speed of the incremental number of graduates.✅ (more college graduates in the workforce, but not enough jobs to support the influx)
 * Requirements of graduates are less than the number of graduates. ✅, if this relates to there being more graduates than there are professional positions
 * The number of technicians fails to meet the demand of society instead.


 * Microscopic reasons:
 * low rent and convenient transportation are the objective of the formation of ant tribe.
 * Squeezing daily expense and going to work conveniently push graduates to choose a proper place to live, which leads to form a habitation in the suburban district.
 * Graduates just enter the society.
 * In psychology, graduates chase after the feeling of community and identity to keep them feel same. Most graduates show they would to live with acquaintances.
 * As time goes by, it contribute to shape a habitation, which known as ant tribe.
 * At the same time, the changes of China’s employment situation, high housing price and the lag concept of employment of university students account for the appearance of ant tribe. ✅

It could be that this will sort itself out as I reach English sources, but I'm mostly lost on what the points are -- really good example: advancement of productive forces. What does that mean?--CaroleHenson (talk) 13:04, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I've added ✅ where I think I've covered the point, but if someone could double-check me, that would be good!--CaroleHenson (talk) 22:22, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

World view
Thank you for helping me advance ! About the worldwide view, do I need to refer to some comments on Chinese ant tribe or the similar phenomenon in foreign countries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nnu-12-22100539 (talk • contribs) 06:54, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * That's a good question. I'm a little stuck on that because there are political and economic factors that make the situation in China unique.  I thinking I'll post a note on the talk page of whoever added that template and see what is needed.--CaroleHenson (talk) 13:40, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * See User talk:Zzarch--CaroleHenson (talk) 13:51, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Down Youth citation
Thanks so much for finding a citation for the Down Youth. Since this is an article in English, we need a source in English. Are you able to find one in English?--CaroleHenson (talk) 13:44, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for advancing Ant Tribe.
 * I feel sorry for no finding of an English source of The Down Youth. Because China Newsweek is a publication in Chinese. There are some related reports of the phenomenon. Besides, I want to add some information about ant tribe's attitudes to life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nnu-12-22100539 (talk • contribs) 02:07, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, I couldn't find a WP:Reliable source in English either.


 * Can I help out somehow on the attitude to life piece so that we can use English references? Otherwise it's impossible to edit. For instance, if you give me some key words, I can try to find some sources to use to support your points.  There's so much information out there, that I don't think that would be hard to do and it might give you some additional points to add.--CaroleHenson (talk) 02:36, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Of course. Although some ant tribe feel depressed about the situations, the majority of them are very optimistic to their future. Government have taken some actions to solve thier poor living conditions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nnu-12-22100539 (talk • contribs) 04:31, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, there's several that are already used in the article that I think will be helpful for you:
 * 1. "China's 'ant tribe' still struggling." China Daily. December 14, 2010.
 * 7. Jacobs, Andrew. (December 11, 2010). "China's Army of Graduates Struggle for Jobs." New York Times. Retrieved December 27, 2011.
 * 8. Wei, Wang. (August 8, 2010). Ant tribe swams to new villages. China Daily. Retrieved August 27, 2011.
 * Let me know if you need more.--CaroleHenson (talk) 04:46, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thankyou for helping me a lot with Ant Tribe. I have just added some information according to the sources of English and Chinese websites. Because I can find some information in Chinese only. Happy New Year in advance!--Nnu-12-22100539 (talk) 04:00, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing up the article, it's very interesting! It's been my pleasure.

I hope you don't mind, I went ahead and consolidated your additions in sections where the topic was already started - and removed the bit that came from a blogger (not a reliable source). But I think your points are well captured.

Is it possible for you to format the citations (include a title, source, date, etc.) for


 * 11.^ http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/02/18/us-china-middleclass-idUSTRE61H01220100218
 * 12.^ http://news.qq.com/a/20100222/000420.htm
 * 13.^ http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=49960
 * 14.^ http://www.china.org.cn/china/2010-08/19/content_20744741_2.htm
 * 15.^ http://www.wix.com/785408910/gongweimo#!solutions/vstc1=advertising

For example for #11:  

That would be a big help! Thanks again and Happy New Year to you, including the Chinese New Year to come shortly!--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Opening
With respect to "who settle for a poverty-level existence" - this implies volition. Chenge to a more neutral phrase such as "who live a poverty-level existence". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.36.164.228 (talk) 08:18, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

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