Talk:Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 10th Earl of Shaftesbury

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Why are References appearing above Marriages and Death? Corvus cornix 20:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * ? --> > --Counter-revolutionary 20:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Corvus cornix 20:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

First names
I have fixed incorrect forms of address such as Lady Bianca Shaftesbury, Countess Shaftesbury and Countess Christina Shaftesbury. I also changed "presumed heir" to heir apparent, which is what he was. But I'm also worried about the way the article refers to people. Per Manual of Style (biographies), Wikipedia shouldn't use first names to refer to people who have surnames. Thus, I propose:


 * calling the 10th Earl of Shaftesbury "Lord Ashley" when talking about his life between the deaths of his father and his grandfather, and "Lord Shaftesbury" or "the Earl of Shaftesbury" when talking about events after 1961;
 * calling his widow (the third wife) "Lady Shaftesbury" or "Countess of Shaftesbury". Despite the family's protests, she was "Lady Shaftesbury"/ "Countess of Shaftesbury" and there is no other appropriate way to refer to her. Wikipedia can't call her Jamila, as Wikipedia doesn't have coffee with her every Saturday. Calling her "Shaftesbury" or "Ashley-Cooper" might mislead people. Surtsicna (talk) 14:22, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I support your edits. I think you have improved the article. I had difficulty distinguishing between the various Anthonys and Shaftesburys in this article. If you can offer another viewpoint, I say to go for it. I would also support removing the information on St Giles House. I have no problem with that at all. Cindamuse (talk) 16:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This particular biography presents quite a few issues needing disambiguation with several ancestors and descendants named Anthony Ashley-Cooper. I went ahead and tried to clean up any leftover "Jamila" notations. I used the form Mme M'Barek. Hope that works. I left notations pertaining to the 10th Earl as it currently exists. Changing form to refer to him as Lord Ashley causes confusion in differentiating him from his father. Hopefully this all works out. I always appreciate another pair of eyes though. I re-added the info on St Giles House until such point as it can be merged into another article. As I stated earlier, the information on the house would be appropriate to include in the Earls of Shaftesbury article. I am working on an article about Wimborne St Giles and will include it there at any rate. Cindamuse (talk) 10:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Edited to add for the sake of clarity, in line with the MOSBIO guidelines, to disambiguate between family members with the same surname, use given names or complete names to refer to relatives upon first mention. For subsequent uses, refer to relatives by given name for clarity and brevity. When referring to the person who is the subject of the article, use just the surname unless the reference is part of a list of family members or if use of the surname alone will be confusing.  Cind. amuse  17:28, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Irrelevant information
This man is not even mentioned in the section about St Giles House. It seems to me that the text is completely unrelated to the 10th Earl of Shaftesbury and that it should be removed. Surtsicna (talk) 15:40, 10 August 2010 (UTC) I'd like to add the prayer mentioned in the section about his funeral to the list of text to go. Is the text of a funeral prayer really neccessary? Surtsicna (talk) 16:37, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with deleting this section. However, I think it's relevant to Atty's life, since St Giles House was his home, and he was the last earl to live there. That said, the information can be merged with the Earls of Shaftesbury article along with a small mention of the last earl to live in the home. Cindamuse (talk) 16:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think it adds to the article, but it could be considered frivolous. Again, be bold and edit as you think is appropriate. Cindamuse (talk) 16:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

St Giles House
Currently, the content in the St Giles House subsection of this article is reproduced verbatim (save for a single sentence) as the entire content of the article St Giles House, Wimborne St Giles, while Earls of Shaftesbury contains another, largely non-overlapping, account of the same building. If there is indeed to be a separate article about the building, all the relevant, sourced information about it should be gathered in that article, with no more than main templates and brief summaries (if necessary) being included in this article and the Earls of Shaftesbury article. (Even better for this article might be simply to include a wikilink to the building's article in a sentence stating that AA-C was the last earl to live there. It hardly seems to merit a separate subsection here.) There is certainly no justification for the existence of identical content here and in the building's article; if it is felt that the content must be included here, I'll nominate St Giles House, Wimborne St Giles for deletion as an unnecessary content fork. I don't really care how you folk want to work this matter out, as long as it doesn't involve scattering redundant material around Wikipedia. Deor (talk) 19:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Allegations by the 3rd wife
I have removed some tabloidy details from the allegations made by his third wife. Repeating the details here would in my view be a breach of our policies on biographies of living people, as though the fact that she made the allegations is reliably sourced and I don't dispute that she can be considered a reliable source as to her own lifestyle, these specific disputed details cannot be considered reliable information about others.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  07:26, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Editing
I have removed details of his father's WWII service because a paragraph already exists, word for word with same citations, in the father's Wikipedia biography. I propose for deletion the section on Wimborne House as the subject of this biography is not mentioned in it. Generally a little more trimming to make the information more germane to the heading subject would be welcome.Cloptonson (talk) 15:45, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

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