Talk:Anthony Spilotro

Buried Alive?
I understand that someone who participated in the hit on the Spilotro brothers said that the murders did in fact take place in the basement of a mobster's home, but that seems to contradict the autopsy findings. According to the coroner sand was found in their throat and lungs, thereby implying that they were, in fact, buried allive. Is there any information besides his testimony to dispute this?


 * I changed "the government had it all wrong" to "the government may have had it all wrong" and added the qualifier "according to Calabrese" to the statement that the two were not buried alive. Until the case is actually closed that seems appropriate. I wish the link to the newspaper story was still there.JeffStickney 22:24, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Juvenile Youth Gang?
I talked to some old Italians on Harlem Avenue and they stated that Tony Spilotro started out in a neighborhood gang around his folk's restaurant called the Gaylords. The Gaylords webpage states that they started out in the area of Grand and Odgen in around 1950 - so is there any true to the urban legend? Jbutera 22:24, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Web Address
The second link doesn't work. Does anyone know why?

Murder
As portrayed in the movie Casino, the character Nicky Santoro (based on Spilotro) was killed by Frank Marino (supposed to be based on Frank Culotta). Did Culotta take part in the killing of Spilotro after getting fed up of Spilotro's dirty work?

No. In real life, Cullotta flipped and tesitfied against Spilotro for the M & M murders and the Hole in the Wall gang's activities. Not to mention the fact that in Pileggi's book "Casino," Cullotta mentions that Spilotro tried to have him killed, but the guys who were suppose to carry out the hit shot up the wrong apartment. So he was probably in the the Witness Protection Program around the time of Spilotro's death in '86. There's alot of stuff going on right now about new evidence concerning the Spilotro Bros' Murders as well as other Outfit hits.

The Photograph
There's a photo of Spilotro with Oscar Goodman and Herbie Blitztein. But which one of the three is Spilotro? The one with the sunglasses or the short one? The short one is Tony Spilotro.

Top Hoodlum?
"Blitzstein is described by FBI agent William Roemer in his book The Enforcer as one of the mobsters tested by the FBI in the early days of the Top Hoodlum Program."

WTF is the Top Hoodlum program? Is it so famous it needs no explanation? 68.166.69.57 07:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Spilotr2.jpg
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Potential information
Defense lawyer rips mob trial witness as 'liar' - 2nd Witness dismissed as Wikipedia hopeful for 'most famous informant' might have relevance to this article. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 00:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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Linking
This article has been clluttered up with way too many links. It becomes hard for readers to follow. I have removed repeated links and links to plain English wrods per WP:VERLINK and links to dates per WP:MOSNUM. I have also tried to clean up some of the bmess caused by attempts to wedge long nicknames into piped links by moving the nicknames out of the links. I question whether the nicknames are needed here or add anything to this article. Nicknames and other personal information about the people linked can be found in the articles on those people. Why do we need that information here? Ground Zero | t 16:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Weasel Words
"It is generally thought" - thought by whom? Would be better to change to something like "Accused by police (if that is the case and there are good citations". Pknkly (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

"It is suspected" - by whom? Suggest changing this to be specific and verifieable. Watch for using a citation that includes weasal words. Pknkly (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

"Another suspect in the murders" - who is doing the suspecting? Pknkly (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

"alleged Chicago assassin" - who alleges? Pknkly (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

"who was suspected " Who is suspecting? Pknkly (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

"the star witness " - who says they are a star witness and what kind of testimony would make a witness a star? Simply stating they were a witness might be adequate. Pknkly (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

"major mob figures" - who defines major? Removing the reference to "major" would not detract from the article. Pknkly (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

"reportedly agreed to testify" - reported by whom? Pknkly (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

"who was also allegedly involved " - who alleges, are they authoritative? Pknkly (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Note: there are others, but for me it is easier to go into the article and use the : template to flag the weasel areas. Hope this helps future editors. Pknkly (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Since writing the above I ran across a good example for what this article could become if citations are used. In the article on Anthony Centracchio the editors seemed to preface each statement by stating who said it and then used an inline citation to support who did the saying. In this article it sounds as if the editors made all the statements. Pknkly (talk) 05:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

90% of this article is garbage since there are no citations and its written in a strange manner. Reading this, I feel like I am sitting in some bar & drinking a beer while listening to Three-Finger-Tony reminiscing about things he heard from his people. Meishern (talk) 01:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Article Class Status
I believe this article needs to be dropped to a "start status because: (1) there is inadequate use of good citations; and (2) the article has excessive use of weasel words. I requested a Peer Review to demote the class level to start.  Please note that I believe this to be a "high" importance article for a ChicagoWikiProject article.  Class demotion discussion may best be handled within the Peer Review article.  Pknkly (talk) 17:08, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but can i say i think you care too much 78.105.206.251 (talk) 13:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, i agree. Skatereview (talk) 13:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for caring enough to leave a statement. So far nobody else had.  I don't believe we want editors to use this article as a standard for what a "B" article looks like.  I found a very well written article about the same type of subject. The article's subject is Anthony Centracchio.  It reads well but adheres to the Wiki guidelines.  Unlike the Spilotro article, the Centracchio editors seemed to preface each statement by stating who said it and then used an inline citation to support who did the saying. Seems to make all the difference.  Pknkly (talk) 17:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Article Importance Status
For the ChicagoWikiProject Importance level I rated this article as high because of the notarity brought about as indicated within the article's section on "Film portrayal". I believe the Importance rating may drop if the proper citations are not found for the section. 17:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Film Portrayal
It comes across when reading it that in Casino(film) Nicky Santoro is beaten up or beaten to death but with punches and kicks, i think it should be specified that they were beaten to death with metal baseball bats and buried alive. Skatereview (talk) 13:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Go ahead and make the correction, especially if you have a good citation that you can add to the article. Pknkly (talk) 17:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Tony Spilotro was the badest gangster ever to walk da streets of Chicago! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Awful1 (talk • contribs) 06:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Was Spiloto Ever in the Black Book?
Contrary to what is reported in this article, the trivia notes on Casino on Amazon Prime video state that it was Lefty Rosenthal and not Tony Spiloto who was placed in the Black Book. That Rosenthal was placed in the book is confirmed on his wikipedia entry. Is there support for the fact the Spiloto was also in the Black Book as no references are cited? Beernutz (talk) 15:44, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

THE TRUTH
the story based on this assassination was all covered up by the falcon family never has it been uncovered do to false evidence "the ant" was a man with false actions! To make an innocent man portraid to be backstabbing FAKE to his Spilotro family this man saw nothing but the best assuring that this town would have to walk the streets assuring our safety's to hear more for I have lived many years knowing the secrets to the real story that not even news or real detectives would explain to the public do to the bribes taken by many rats and backstabbing son of a bitches his name will for ever be known in the history of this great mobster city las vegas Nevada he and his brother were beaten with bats being lied to and promised to be head of organized leaders that were false to make them fall into a trap that would end with their life's this ones for you ANTHONY SPILOTRO
 * What changes do you propose for the article? --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 18:08, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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Involvment of Allen Dorfman in the murder sounds suspect
How could Allen Dorfman been involved in Spilotro's murder??? - Dorfman himself was murdered over 3 years earlier in January 1983 and Spilotro was murdered in June of 1986 (3-1/2 years later). Doesn't make sense.Betathetapi545 (talk) 10:42, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

"In popular culture" section
I find it interesting that Spilotro, as portrayed in Casino, is beaten at the cornfield where he is buried. But, a DIFFERENT "wise-guy" would seem to play out in THIS version:


 * "Although the original reports stated the Spilotros were beaten and buried in the Enos, Indiana, cornfield, mobster Nicholas Calabrese testified at the "Operation Family Secrets" in 2007 that the brothers were killed in a Bensenville, Illinois, basement first, where the Spilotros believed Michael would be inducted into The Outfit, then their bodies were transported to the cornfield. According to court testimony, when Tony entered the basement and realized what was about to occur, he asked if he could "say a prayer".

That sounds a LOT like how the death of Thomas DeSimone is depicted in the film Goodfellas, the "luring" under cover of being "made." Not sure if it's worth a mention in this section. If so, better someone with more experience do it. Oddly, both films are directed by Scorcese and both star Joe Pesci in the relevant role. Caught my notice.Jororo05 (talk) 22:31, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Removed libelous claim (against noted person)

 * He is the uncle of Kevin Csizmesia, a current mobster operating out of New London County

I have no knowledge of K. Csizmesia, but calling him a mobster without supporting evidence is libel. 13:02, 23 August 2021 (UTC)