Talk:Anti-Christianity in the modern era

I was browsing the religion stubs, and this line caught my eye: "Anti-Christianity is the criticism of the Christian religion based on mischaracterizations, stereotypes, and negative prejudices." The assumption here that any criticism of Christianity must be based on false premises seemed offbase and not at all NPOV to me. The article cites no sources, and we already have articles on Criticism of Christianity and Persecution of Christians, so I would suggest that it be merged into one of those - probably Criticism of Christianity, as I think a redirect from here to there would be pretty natural. If I don't hear anything else by the end of the week, I'm going to go ahead with that. - AdelaMae (talk - contribs) 06:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I second that. I would even suggest that "Anti-Christianity" be redirected to Criticisms of Christianity. Kntrabssi 07:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

No I think you should leave the page where it is because this page is talking about criticism of christianty based not on geniune points nad concerns but upon as it says, mischaracterizations, stereotypes and negative predujices. It is criticism without basis in fact, the same way one might be anti-Democrat, anti-French or anti-homosexuals Mindstar 13:28, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Then we should merge & redirect it to Christianophobia, the way that Anti-French redirects to Francophobia. Regardless, people could legitimately take "anti-Christianity" as being any view that is opposed to Christianity on whatever grounds, and what this article currently does is characterize all such views as misguided and prejudicial. - AdelaMae (talk - contribs) 18:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I have read the page and see no reason for the POV label. It does seem contradictory to call something criticism at one point and then include murder later on. If no one objects, I may have a go at changing this. Eiler7 16:56, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

A new suggestion
What if we merged this article and Christianophobia into a new article called Anti-Christian prejudice? Christianophobia (which is something of a neologism and limited in meaning) could have its own section. We could make the opening sentence more NPOV by saying something like "Anti-Christian prejudice is criticism of or bias against Christians and the Christian religion, based on mischaracterization, stereotype, and negative prejudice or caricature."

This would restrict this new article to a usage similar to those of homophobia, racism, etc, while still leaving Criticism of Christianity for rational and philosophical disagreements.

Thus, "The bodily resurrection of Jesus is not a scientific fact" is a (debateable) statement of fact, while "Christians are idiots for believing that Jesus rose from the dead" is anti-Christian prejudice. JHCC (talk) 15:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Ah, I wish I'd thought of that! That makes it much more clear how the scope of this article would be different from Criticism of Christianity and Persecution of Christians.  I know some books we could reference for Christian opinions on this issue. - AdelaMae (talk - contribs) 16:56, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Good idea, however, I would avoid stating that the resurrection of Christ is not a scientific fact, because it can't be proved right or wrong. However, I do like the idea.  Just be careful of wording!  Kntrabssi 21:03, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for supporting the idea. Just to note:  I'm not saying, "the resurrection was not a scientific fact."  Rather, to say, "The bodily resurrection of Jesus is not a scientific fact" is to make a statement of fact (that is, it is a claim that this is is a fact, whether it is or not).  JHCC  (talk) 21:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Gotcha, sounds like a good idea! Go for it!  Kntrabssi 02:28, 17 December 2005 (UTC)