Talk:Anti-Slavic sentiment/Archive 1

Kosovo
Zoupan, dont delete my texts just because you can't handle arguments.

Kosovar-Albanians are pretty anti-slavic. So whats the problem?

--Albanian Historian (talk) 21:51, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Mein Kampf reference
Recently, a user has edited the page to change:
 * In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler refers to some Slavic peoples as "inferior Soviet masses", using the word 'Slav' as 'slave'.

the previous wording:
 * In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler refers to them as "inferior", using the word 'Slav' as 'slave'.

I agreed with the reversions of the previous edits by this anonymous user, but this one looks fairly valid. Can anyone provide an excerpt from Mein Kampf so that we can see which is more accurate? --Joy &#91;shallot&#93;   23:19, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

AfD result
&mdash; J I P | Talk 19:42, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Race

 * ...inferiority of Slavic nations with respect to other races.

Can the Slavs be considered a race? There are Nordid Slavs in Russia, Baltid Slavs in Belarus, Alpinid Slavs in Macedonia, Dinarid Slavs in Serbia and Mediterranid Slavs in Bulgaria. --AimLook 04:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Not from a purely genetic point of view, but then who is? Slavic is certainly a valid ethnicity. Edrigu (talk) 01:23, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Soviet historiography
Do we really need Soviet propaganda in the Albania section? There is so many different distorted, politicized views on history everywhere. If we start putting all them into wikipedia articles, it will be huge mess. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

RfC
An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:22, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Before the Nazis
Anti-Slavic ideology existed already in 19 Century Germany, Ernst Moritz Arndt.Xx236 (talk) 08:28, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Sources contradicted information
That Nazis weren't racist towards Slavic people. I have corrected this information using the very same sources.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 18:51, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * They weren't also racist toward the Jews, because they decided who was Jewish.Xx236 (talk) 09:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/rozoff/europes.htm - the source isn't reliable but interesting.Xx236 (talk) 09:51, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * de:Slawenfeindlichkeit quotes several sources.Xx236 (talk) 10:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not a fan of the young Borejsza, but still http://www.download.lechnijakowski.com/borejsza-recenzja-nk.pdf Xx236 (talk) 10:09, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Nazism and anti-Slavism with "inferior" and "non-Aryan"
This page is extremely biased towards Nazis policy on the Slavs. People need to understand that there is a difference between "inferior" and "non-Aryan". There is absolutely nowhere that the Nazis made the claim that Slavs were non-Aryan racially. The problem lies in what the term actual 'Aryan' stands for and the definition of it: Indo-European, Germanic, Nordic, White (Caucasian) and so on... the Nazis often used the term Aryan to mean Indo-European and of course this includes the Slavs as they are Indo-Europeans and Slavic is an Indo-European language. Of course it is obvious that Slavs are not Germanics or vice versa -- the Germanic peoples and the Slavic peoples are essentially two different ethno-linguistic terms and this is why the Nazis often said that not just the Slavs but anyone who was non-Germanic was not Aryan. The term "Nordic" can include the Slavs, it includes the Germanic peoples, the Celtic peoples and the Slavic peoples.

The anti-Slavism from the Nazis was because they had the belief that the Slavs were Untermenschen (subhumans) simply because they allowed themselves to be ruled by Jewish Bolshevism (more so in Russia than anywhere else they called the Soviet state a Jewish state) and the mass of Slavs were being ruled by them, they were deemed as a mass born of slaves and "uncultured" people.

The German Wikipedia on the page "Foreign races" (Fremdvölkische) clearly states the Nazis did not consider the Slavs to be a separate race but just an "inferior foreign race" to the Germanic peoples.

With the orientation of the " life space policy "to the east, which provided to colonize the Eastern European region for the establishment of" Greater Germanic Empire of the German Nation "to the Urals" Germanic ", and that of Himmler in June 1941auf Wewelsburg announced " decimation of the population of Slavic neighboring countries by 30 million "targeted the category of" foreign Nationalists "mainly due to the Slavs who were not really after the Nazi racial science as a distinct race ( Hans FK Günther - called "race-Günther" - 1930). Thus, the mutant originally racially sound "ethnic diversity" to volkstumspolitischen principle outside of the German "people's community". Slavic peoples were considered simply as "inferior" and "uncultured". They feared primarily their fertility, which would lead to a renewed, dreaded "urge to the West", which is why their enslavement or destruction should be carried out by civil administration and police forces (see General Plan East ). For it was also a special foreign worker status, that of the " Ostarbeiters ". To the pattern of a special law built realm management " Greater German Reich "were" incorporated territories "(cf. Reichsgaue Warta Country and Danzig-West Prussia ) in the " General "a special legal colonial administration was established. For special law dealing with the "foreign nationalists" was next to enslave the possibility verschiedenstufiger naturalization include (entry in the " German People's List ". The possibility of naturalization at different levels, however, applied only to the so-called annexed eastern territories. Naturalized - but with possibility of withdrawal - were so-called German people, ie German-born persons living in these areas, as well as Poland, the Germans were connected (through marriage, language and culture, etc.). This served to attract so-called racially valuable children. The aim was to give the kingdom citizenship since 1935 introduced these people after a certain period of probation and allow them stripping of the foreign national status. (This possibility of naturalization, however, did not apply to the "General".)

There seems to be some misunderstanding on what the Nazis actually viewed as Aryan because many even 'true Germans' were not considered Aryans, the term 'Aryan' did not just mean a racial meaning to them it also meant social and political.

The Ahnenpaß stated that "wherever they might live in the world" Aryans were "e.g. an Englishman or a Swede, a Frenchman or a Czech, a Pole or an Italian".

Czechs and Poles are both Slavic and were clearly as you can see included the Ahnenpass definition of 'Aryan'.

I don't doubt they considered them Untermenschen but that didn't mean they were non-Aryan it just simply meant subhuman and simply not Germanic. Although there has to be noted that there were some exceptions for certain ethnic Slavs and many Nazis also had Slavic ancestry.

Rosenberg the leading Nazi race theorist considered the Slavs to be less than Germans but still Aryan too.--Shola Slayer (talk) 10:31, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * It is littered in this article that the Nazis viewed Slavs in general and Russians in particular as sub-human. This is simply not the case. The Third Reich did not struggle with Slavdom, but with the threat Bolshevism [posed] to the foundations of European Civilization. Incidentally, to this day, not one official German document from that time has been published, in which the Slavs are called a “race of sub-humans,” something which devoted warriors of anti­ fascism like to broadcast. By “sub-humans,” in the anthropological sense of the word, Himmler’s department was referring to Bolshevik commissars, like Lev Mekhlis, and open racists like Ilya Ehrenburg, an instigator who hid behind the backs of Russian soldiers, shouting “Kill the Germans!” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.230.125 (talk) 12:53, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Breathless in its scope and shallow in its depths
why bother contributing to wikipedia when this qualifies as an article. Anti slav sentiment comes from the Roman Catholics? The article is juvenile worthy of a third rate KGB agent pulled from the filed and assigned to cafeteria duty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:8241:5600:C4D:7101:6BF8:AEE8 (talk) 17:20, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, wikipedia does not consider sources from KGB agents as reliable. If you find some of them used, please report, and we will fix the problem. Meanwhile please learn to read and understand things within context. The article does not say that "Anti slav sentiment comes from the Roman Catholic". It says "Anti slav sentiment in Albania at one time in history came from the Roman Catholic", and I see nothing unusual in this. Staszek Lem (talk) 21:55, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

A page about Anti Slavic Sentiment?
This wiki page mainly just talks about Serbs being discriminated against, while leaving out other Slavic groups who also faced persecution at one time or another. Who made this page? Also, Serbia did not exist during the 40s, it was Yugoslavia. The mistakes in this article are laughable. As well as source 7 which doesnt even back up the quotes it is cited for.2600:380:5A6A:67:8698:9CD0:58AB:64CD (talk) 19:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)


 * You are free to add reliable referenced information about other Slavic groups. As far as who "made" this page, like all of Wikipedia, it is a collaborative effort of Wikipedia editors, including you if you wish. Editor2020, Talk 23:19, 5 September 2015 (UTC)