Talk:Antisemitism in the Gospel of John

Problems with this article
DJ Clayworth (talk) 14:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) The article assumes that the Gospel of John is antisemitic, without any discussion of whether it really is, or of other views.
 * 2) The only references are Biblical, which are primary sources and therefore inadmissible.
 * 3) In fact the article is really a Bible Study, and not an encyclopedia article.
 * 4) The "historical context" references only the Biblical narrative of the early church. Other sources should be used preferably.
 * 5) There is huge use of unattributed sayings: "It has been argued..." "Other critics go further..." without saying who these people are.
 * 6) Statements are made about dating of the Gospel as fact, and historical narrative, which are not universally accepted.
 * 7) "Paul Jones" is quoted verbatim without reference or any explanation of who he is.


 * I'm currently adding secular sources that discuss the phenomenon of antisemitism as understood by contemporary scholars. The article is primarily about the antisemitism as a religious literary phenomenon, and not necessarily antisemitism as an established fact, and so it does not require the universal agreement of every existing reader or scholar. If scholars find that the term antisemitism is appropriate in such cases, then it should be cited as their opinion and not so much as an approval of their views. Likewise, if there is some dissent in the academic community about the attribution of the term antisemitism to certain passages of the Gospel of John, then these views would most likely deserve to be noted as well. ADM (talk) 14:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The problem I have with such articles (i.e., Antisemitism in [insert NT book here]) is that how much antisemitism actually exists depends on one's political/theological position. For example, those who see the most antisemitism in the NT are also those who are to the most "left" on political/theological issues. Therefore, I think all such articles need to be retitled as Perceived Antisemitism in the [insert NT book here]. Also, I pretty much agree with DJC's statements above. Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 19:58, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Gospel of John
The content of this article should be added to the Gospel of John, rather than having its own article. That way it can be properly assessed by experts in the field. There is no need for a separate article. If there is no objection I will move it.Sbmackay (talk) 04:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't it be moved to Antisemitism in the New Testament? Anyway, it's too large to move into the Gospel of John, if anything it's a sub-article of it. Jayjg (talk) 06:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Possibly. Although it's interesting that the Gospel of John article contains absolutely nothing on the topic. That's indicative that either the majority of people familiar with the scholarship on John don't accept this thesis at all, or there is a shortcoming in the article. I think moving it to Antisemitism in the New Testament would be fine though. To be honest, I doubt the quality of this article would allow it to survive long in the Gospel of John.Sbmackay (talk) 12:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)