Talk:Antonina Miliukova

Marriage to Tchaikovsky
I'm troubled by this passage. It's not only unreferenced, but entirely speculative - might have done this, may have done that. Surely it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia?

"He might not have told Antonina that he preferred men to women. If he did tell her, she might not have understood what he meant because social conventions of the period did not allow a person to be direct about such things. Sexual matters were to be discussed with allusions and euphemisms. In such a conversation, a woman as naïve or uneducated as Antonina might literally not have known what she was hearing. She might have simply agreed to anything being said. Tchaikovsky could have convinced himself that Antonina had no problem with his sexual preferences and would not mind marital abstinence. Antonina would not have entertained the thought that such preferences as his even existed, and she probably still expected him to perform sexually for her. Mutual frustration may have been inevitable." 113.73.84.224 (talk) 05:36, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I find there are more such passages further on in the article. It seems to me the whole thing needs serious editing.113.73.84.224 (talk) 05:41, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

i concur with these critiques. the section on antonia is patently and obtusely speculative; "might" and "could have" may find a place in a reference work, but here the hypotheticals spring from an apparent desire to defend or burnish her reputation and pad her entry with repetition. i also call out a regrettable presumption to know how things actually went down in 19th century russia. there is no recognition at all of the difficulties of interpretation, of documentation, of posthumous reputational fussing, of personal motives in storytelling, and so forth. Drollere (talk) 18:19, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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