Talk:Antonio Gil Y'Barbo

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Dispensation requested (-)Tejanoviejo (talk) 05:55, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Name
An editor, probably acting in good faith, would like to change the name of the person featured in this article to "Gil Ybarbo." This spelling could reflect the current name of at least one family connected with the person in this article, but this change should not be made until there is a discussion of the subject. Bigturtle (talk) 23:00, 3 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi! I'm the person who edited this in February, while yes it's the spelling some people use nowadays, I was primarily motivated by the fact that "Y'Barbo" is an ahistorical spelling that makes no linguistic sense in Spanish-the "Y'B" is not going to make any sense with the apostrophe and capitalized letter B; nor is the Y a conjunction "y" like some people have written it as. (admittedly. the "some people" in that includes some eighteenth and nineteenth century sources referring to him and his family, albeit none of them by Antonio or his father.)
 * The spelling Antonio had used in his lifetime when signing things was "Ybarvo" or "Ibarvo," and Ybarbo or Ibarbo and such are all fairly normal spellings of it in the eighteenth century too, due to lack of standardized spelling in Spanish at the time.
 * For publicly viewable links to eighteenth century documents on him and more recent scholarly sources, there's stuff like the book "Los Adaes, the First Capital of Spanish Texas" by F. X. Galan, (there's a searchable copy on google books) a history book on his hometown, which doesn't ever use the spelling "Y'Barbo" for him except in citations of other sources. There's also a few documents available here https://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/adaes/images/archival.html that have signatures from his father Matheo, as "Ybarbo" or "de Ybarbu," and also documents held at places like the Briscoe Center's Bexar Archives, e.g. the first three documents from searching for originals of ones authored by him are signed as "Antonio Gil Ybarvo," "Ant^o Gil Ybarvo," and "Ant^o Gil Ybarvo," although the last of these also calls him Ybarbo in the text of the document. (a link to these can be found here: https://digitalcollections.briscoecenter.org/islandora/search/%20?type=dismax&islandora_solr_search_navigation=1&f%5B0%5D=bcah_facet_names_ms%3A%22Ibarvo%2C%5C%20Antonio%5C%20Gil%5C%20de%22 along with anything else you'd want to look at written by him in the archives, along with transcriptions thereof.)
 * Hope that helps for explaining the edit and sorry for taking a long time to reply! 2601:3C3:401:E1F0:84ED:32EB:A6F4:4D89 (talk) 20:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, and thanks for your update. You make some excellent points!  As you know, the patriarch’s name is currently spelled “Y’Barbo” on the websites of Stephen F. Austin State University and of the City of Nacogdoches, reflecting the semi-“official” status of this spelling as of the current time. At the same time, you have pointed out that spelling his name “Ybarbo” could well be just as correct.  Can we wait a bit to see if anyone else joins this discussion before making this change.  Thanks. Bigturtle (talk) 08:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)