Talk:Antonio López de Santa Anna/Archive 1

Tremendous improvement
Wow. Tremendous improvement on this article over the last 24 hours. I am impressed. Thanks to all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.165.239.87 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 2 November 2002

Wooden leg
I was watching "Kind of the Hill" and one of their stories was about american soldiers stealing Santa Anna's wooden leg, and it being on display at some museam in Illinois. Is there any truth to that? .... I think it would be a great accomplishment to american imperialism if we really did it. Go team! Gimp that mexican! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.145.196 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 7 February 2005

Chronology
Chronology.....(giving dates for the ELEVEN times that Santa Anna was ,or held the office of ,the president of the Republic

21 Feb 1794/5 born in Jalapa Veracruz 6 July 1810 entered the Veracruz infantry as a cadet 13 March 1811 went with his regiment to Tampico to suppress insurgents working for the separation of Texas 1813 returned to Veracruz, promoted for bravery to first lieutenant 1814 made aide to General Dávila, royalist commander of Veracruz March 1816 promoted to captain March 1821 given command of troops in Veracruz, sent to rescue Orizaba and Córdoba from pro-independence forces 23 March 1821 arrived in Orizaba, defeated the insurgent Miranda 29 March 1821 General Herrera arrived, as did dispatch from Viceroy making Santa Anna lieutenant colonel as reward for Miranda's defeat; Santa Anna joined Herrera in support of Iturbide 25 April 1821 Santa Anna came to Herrera's aid at Tepeaca, defeated the Spanish colonel Hevia

rewarded by Iturbide with promotion to Chief of the Army's 11th Division

July 1821 surrounded Veracruz and suggested that his old protector General Dávila surrender to him; Dávila successfully resisted 21 July 1821 Viceroy Juan O'Donojú arrived en route to Córdoba, where Iturbide awaited him to finalize treaties ending Spain's dominance of Mexico

Dávila withdrew from Veracruz at the end of October, still faithful to Ferdinand VII

27 Sept 1821 Trigarante army entered Mexico City 28 Sept 1821 Regency established 25 Oct 1822 Santa Anna with General Rincón took Veracruz

Iturbide named Santa Anna brigadier general and Commander of the Province of Veracruz

16 Nov 1822 suspicious of Santa Anna, Iturbide arrived in Jalapa, removed Santa Anna from his command, ordered him to join the Junta de Guerra in Mexico City; Santa Anna instead returned to Veracruz 2 Dec 1822 in Veracruz, Santa Anna proclaimed "la República," declared Iturbide's reign "invalid," demanded new Congreso Constituyente 1 Feb 1823 Plan de Casa Mata signed 19 March 1823 Iturbide abdicated

government sent Santa Anna to San Luis Potosí as commander of the province

5 June 1823 Santa Anna announced his support of the Federal Republic

called to Mexico, Santa Anna placed under house arrest - freed by intervention of Vicente Guerrero, was reinstated as brigadier general and named military commander of Yucatán

mid-1824 arrived at Campeche

declared war on Spain, tried to invade Cuba against the wishes of the Mexican government

25 April 1825 government accepted Santa Anna's resignation as Governor (?) of Yucatán

President Guadalupe Victoria named him director of the Corps of Engineers, but Santa Anna soon gave up post; went to Alvarado (Veracruz), married Inés de la Paz, n.d. (Inés García?), bought hacienda of Manga de Clavo

30 Dec 1826 (23 Dec 1827?) Vicente Guerrero sent to put down Montaño's rebellion at Otumba; Santa Anna offered his services to Guerrero 7 January 1828 Santa Anna and Guerrero defeated and exiled Barragán and Bravo

Santa Anna named Governor of Veracruz in Barragán's place

1 Sept 1828 Congress declared Pedraza president and Vicente Guerrero vice-president 12 Sept 1828 Santa Anna demanded that presidency be given to Guerrero 3 Dec 1828 Pedraza fled the presidency 8 Dec 1828 Guerrero named secretary of war 1 April 1829 Guerrero became president

Santa Anna again Governor of Veracruz

27 July 1829 Spanish under Barradas took Tampico 11 Sept 1829 Santa Anna with General Mier y Terán defeated Barradas' troops

Santa Anna named "Benemérito de la Patria"

4 Oct 1829 Santa Anna returned to Veracruz 4 Dec 1829 refused to administer the Plan of Jalapa with Bustamante against Guerrero 3 Jan 1830 renounced his politico-military duties 2 Jan 1832 Military garrison of Veracruz rebelled against Bustamante, Santa Anna offered to mediate

government accused Santa Anna of leading rebellion

March 1832 Santa Anna defeated by government forces 5 Oct 1832 Pedraza returned from the U.S. 24 Dec 1832 Pedraza assumed presidency in Puebla 3 Jan 1833 Pedraza and Santa Anna entered Mexico City 30 March 1833 Santa Anna named President, with Gómez Farías as vice-president 1 April l833 Gómez Farías became president as Santa Anna pleaded ill health; Farías'policies proved unpopular 16 May 1833 Santa Anna resumed presidency 3 June 1833 Santa Anna returned presidency to Farías

took command of the army so as to subdue insurrections of Morelia and Tlalpan

held captive by Arista while Gómez Farías put down rebellion

5 July 1833 Santa Anna pursued Arista 12 Oct 1833 defeated Arista in Guanajuato 27 Oct 1833 Santa Anna resumed presidency 15 Dec 1833 left presidency, requesting from Congress 6 months' leave because of his health 24 April 1834 Santa Anna resumed presidency 27 Jan 1835 Santa Anna left presidency 11 May 1835 defeated Salinas in Battle of Guadalupe, Zacatecas

named "Benemérito en grado heróico"

headed exposition to quell uprising in Texas

26 Feb 1836 entered Texas, attacked Alamo 6 Mar 1836 attacked presidio of Espíritu Santo 21 Apr 1836 defeated by Houston at San Jacinto 18 Jan 1837 interviewed by U.S. President Jackson 21 Feb 1837 returned to Veracruz by boat, to the cheers of the populace 27 Nov 1838 French fired on San Juan de Ulúa, Santa Anna defended 5 Dec 1838 lost leg 20 March 1839 Santa Anna succeeded Bustamante as interim president 30 April 1839 defeated federalists Mejía and Urrea at Acajete 10 July 1839 surrendered presidency to Nicolás Bravo 10 Oct 1841 Santa Anna resumed presidency 26 Oct 1842 returned presidency to Bravo 4 March 1843 Santa Anna resumed presidency irst wife died; married Dolores de Tosta 4 Oct 1843 surrendered presidency to Canalizo 4 June 1844 Santa Anna took oath as constitutional president 7 Sept 1844 obtained leave of absence from presidency 19 Nov 1844 Paredes y Arrillaga rebelled in Guadalajara

Santa Anna attacked Arrillaga without consent of Congress

Santa Anna's army deserted; he was captured and exiled 3 June 1845 Santa Anna left Veracruz for Havana 4 Aug 1846 Paredes y Arrillaga removed from office 22 Aug 1846 Santa Anna returned to Veracruz, proclaiming the reestablishment of the Constitution of 1824 6 Dec 1846 Congress named Santa Anna interim president

Santa Anna surrendered presidency to Gómez Farías

went to San Luis Potosí to rally troops against U.S. General Taylor 26 Jan 1847 Santa Anna attacked Taylor 23 Feb 1847 defeated Taylor 21 March 1847 Santa Anna resumed presidency 2 April 1847 surrendered presidency to Anaya

went to fight U.S. General Scott in Veracruz 20 May 1847 Santa Anna resumed the presidency

lost five battles against U.S. 16 Sept 1847 surrendered presidency, escaped via Guatemala or the U.S., sailed to Jamaica then to Turbaco, Colombia 1 April 1853 returned to Veracruz 19 April 1853 made triumphal entry into Mexico City 20 April 1853 Santa Anna resumed the Presidency 16 Dec 1853 Council of State gave Santa Anna "facultades omnímodas," title of "alteza serenísima" 1 March 1854 Plan of Ayutla against Santa Anna 9 Aug 1855 Santa Anna renounced Presidency

went to Havana, then Turbaco, Colombia 27 Feb 1864 Santa Anna returned to Veracruz, promising Bazaine not to be politically active, but continued seeking support 12 March 1864 Bazaine deported Santa Anna from Veracruz Jan 1866 Santa Anna visited by U.S. Secretary of State Seward on island of St. Thomas 3 June 1867 Santa Anna returned to Veracruz, claiming U.S. endorsement 4 June 1867 Santa Anna taken with U.S. help to Sisal, Yucatán, and imprisoned 30 July 1867 Santa Anna moved to prison of San Juan de Ulúa

Santa Anna's death sentence commuted to exile 2 Nov 1867 Santa Anna sailed to Havana, then to the Bahamas 1874 Santa Anna allowed to return to Mexico by Lerdo de Tejada under a general amnesty 20 June 1876 died in poverty in Mexico City

Benson Latin American Collection Rare Books and Manuscripts Inventory Antonio López de Santa Anna Collection Prepared by the Mexican Archives Project February 13, 1995 I thoroughly despise inconsistency..even when perpetrated by Wikipedia..if you state that Santa Anna was president of MEXICO "eleven times" ..then TELL ME WHEN AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES THIS OCCURED.Don't say "eleven" times and then only tell me about "Five".I further suggest that you always give a month and a date where possible, and not just the year.This helps when you want chronological accuracy and one guy serves the 1st month of the year,and somone else finishes that same year in his stead.Due to the logical demands of the alphabet,the exact order in which they served may be skewed. If someone will check all the dates and history of the list of presidents of Mexico,you will find many such discrepancies... in the list itself..the dates..and who preceded and who followed who..There is a bright side to my general condemnation...In the process of being so rudely forced to check up on the "real" story...I learned a heck of a lot of Mexican history.."Fascinating" doesn't even come close... raedwulf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raedwulf16 (talk • contribs) 07:32, 24 September 2005


 * People also forgot to add that he was a brilliant military genius, he was after all elected to be president eleven times! I would also like to explain why he was called a so-called "dictator". He was called this because of a lie, a lie which currently is taught to nearly all texans alike! Texas was stolen from Mexico, but in your average textbook it says that texas wanted to be free! The point of the matter is that whoever wins a war or a conflict decides what is written in history instead of what really happened! I advice all people who are going to research something to research it right! P.S. I will write more comments. -Bobby —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.188.116.70 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 1 March 2006

Note to users
I am very bothered by some of the comments on this discussion page. Let's be smart members of this community, and use this space for intelligent dialogue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skibofilms (talk • contribs) 20:12, 22 December 2005

Meets Jackson
It seems odd that Jackson would meet with Santa Ana in 1837, considering that in the previous year SA had pursued a consistent policy of murdering American/Texan prisoners. I never had much regard for AJ for a number of reasons (the spoils system comes quickly to mind) but a sentence or two regarding their meeting would be appropriate. Billy T May 06 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billyt (talk • contribs) 23:45, 26 May 2006

Terms of presidency
The article states that SA was president of Mexico eleven times; the infobox only has 5 terms of presidency. Which is correct? User:FeanorStar7
 * Reply: From all published accounts that I've found to date, Santa Anna was president of Mexcio eleven times. Now how long each time lasted might make it harder to pin point. User: tlincoln 01:29, 26 June 2005 (UTC)


 * Here are a few dates to ponder:
 * 30 March 1833/ 16 May 1833/ 3 June 1833/ 27 Oct. 1833/ 24 April 1834/ 20 March 1839/ 10 Oct. 1841/ 4 March 1843/ 4 June 1844/ 6 Dec. 1846/ 21 March 1847/ 20 May 1847/ 20 April 1853
 * Perhaps these can be collated with other dates to get an exact match. The following web sites all list his being president eleven times.
 * www.historicaltextarchive.com / www.tamu.edu.ccbn/dewitt/santaanna.htm / www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people / www.mexconnect.com / www.libutexas.edu/benson/Mex_Archives
 * Now let us not raise our blood pressure over this issue. A simple, intelligent, non-finger pointing debate session will be healthy. Isn't history wonderful? Thanks and enjoy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.251.89.66 (talk • contribs) 03:42, 29 September 2005

Changes to Biography
I deleted a few sentences that were incorrect. One of these stating that Santa Anna was Emperor. He was never an Emperor. Dictator, yes. I tried to fix his early military carreer so it appears a bit more chronological.

Santa Anna was such a powerful force in American history, and he such an enigma, that it's hard to note down all the details of his life. For sure he was in love with himself and power.

I stopped at the US mexican war. He played a huge part in defending Mexico, and it seems that one paragraph on this topic should not be enough. I will make additional changes, and invite others to do so. Skibofilms 18:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup tag
This article needs some serious attention to make it clear, comprehensive and acurate (note disputes above). This perhaps may require an expert (which I am not). It seems that there is some discussion going on, and hopefully the cleanup tag will attract some fresh eyes. beekman 13:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Presidential Periods
This are the presidential periods, in some cases, days, when Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna were known as President of Mexico....

May 16 1833 / Jun 1 1833, elected by the votes of electors appointed by the state legislatures (votes counted at the joint meeting of the Congress 30 Mar 1833) oath of office taken, joint session of the Congress, Mexico City. left office several times to suppress revolts against his government (2 Jun 1833 - 17 Jun 1833)

Jun 18 1833 / Jul 5 1833, left office several times to suppress revolts against his government (6 Jul 1833 - 27 Oct 1833)

Oct 28 1833 / Dic 4 1833, granted leave of absence for health recovery (5 Dec 1833 - 23 Apr 1834); headed a coup to remove Gómez Farías and resumed presidency (24 Apr 1834).

Apr 24 1834 / Jan 27 1835, tendered his resignation to the Congress (22 Jan 1835), which was declined by the Chamber of Deputies (27 Jan 1835); was granted leave of absence for health recovery and retired to his estate.

Mar 18 1839 / Jul 9 1839 named provisional president to fill in for President Bustamante (18 Mar 1839), leading an army to suppress a rebellion in Tampico; pleaded illness and left the presidency (10 Jul 1839).

Oct 9 1841 / Oct 25 1842. appointed provisional president (9 Oct 1841) by a body composed of two representatives from each state.

Mar 5 1843 / Oct 3 1843

Jun 4 1844 / Sep 11 1844. Substituted on a number of occasions by interim presidents (Nicolás Bravo and Valentín Canalizo); elected constitutional president for the term beginning on 1 Feb 1844, but refused to enter the office (Valentín Canalizo elected interim president); assumed the presidency on 4 Jun 1844; obtained leave of absence for health treatment and transferred presidency to José Joaquín de Herrera (12 Sep 1844), who was in charge until Canalizo replaced him as interim president (21 Sep 1844); congressmen and military leaders announced the Santa Anna government deposed (17 Dec 1844); was arrested (15 Jan 1845) and imprisoned; amnestied (May 1845); sailed for Havana, Cuba; recalled to lead the war effort against the United States and returned on 16 Aug 1846; appointed commander-in-chief; elected president (Dec 1846), but departed for the north, leaving Vice President Gómez Farías in charge; attacked the American army under General Zachary Taylor near Buena Vista (22-23 Feb 1847), but retired with great losses; hearing of the overthrow of Gómez Farías, hastened to Mexico City and occupied the presidency on 21 Mar 1847; left General Pedro María de Anaya in charge and took command of the forces in the state of Vera Cruz.; was attacked and totally defeated at Cerro Gordo on 17-18 Apr 1847; retreated to Mexico City to organize an army to defend the capital against the advancing American forces; Mexico City was occupied by the American army (14 Sep 1847); resigned the presidency; obtained permission to leave the country, sailing for Jamaica (1848); established himself in Turbaco, near Cartagena (1850); recalled, following the revolution of 1853; arrived in Vera Cruz (1 Apr 1853); took possession of the executive (20 Apr 1853); received from the Council of State the right to continue to exercise extraordinary powers for as long as he deemed necessary, title of Su Alteza Serenísima (His Most Serene Highness), and the power of nominating his successor (19 Nov 1853); rule soon became so despotic that revolutions began everywhere, the principal one being that of Ayutla, directed by General Juan Nepomuceno Álvarez Hurtado; after a severe struggle and many defeats abandoned the capital (9 Aug 1855). Mar 21 1847 / Mar 31 1847

May 20 1847 / Sep 15 1847

Apr 20 1853 / Aug 9 1855

--Iasijram 21:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Early years
An anon user added an entire Early Years history to the article. Can it be substantiated? Kevin Breitenstein 04:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Opium Addiction: follow-up
In his book about the Texas Revolution, Duel of Eagles, Jeffery Long reported that both Santa Anna and Sam Houston used laudanum, a then-common, opium-based medicine. Both were addicted to the point that it caused real problems for their judgement and health.

It should be noted that laudanum was not a recreational drug and was viewed at the time as a legitimate medicine (see the Wikipedia article). Most addicts innocently acquired the habit by using laudanum for pain or some other problem; I suspect that was the case with both Houston and Santa Anna.

The phrase "opium addict" may conjure up an image for some readers that does not exactly fit Santa Anna. I suggest any addition to the article use the more specific term, "laudanum", and note that Santa Anna became "addicted to laudanum, a widely used opium-based medication." --A. B. 00:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Most presidencies?
Does anyone have an idea if any person has been a president of any country more times than he was? Nyttend 14:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I seem to remember he had more non-consecutive presidencies than any head of state who ever lived over the same nation.I can't remember the source though. TaylorSAllen 23:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Infobox
I have him as President of Mexico ten times, but that's the mos the box will allow. Could someone please find a way to get his eleventh term in there? Therequiembellishere (talk) 11:08, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit/ Reverts
The page at about 6:30 and until about 6:50 read 'HE WAS A BABY BACK BITCH' or something to that effect. I seem to remember seeing this before at school. The reverts are always quick (the person who performs the blanking, maybe does it) but still it could get worse. Has anyone else noted these breif issues? TaylorSAllen 23:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup, if you dig through the history tab you'll note many such occurrences. Rarely does the vandalism come from the same source, and rarely does it happen more than once a day or so.    Not really often enough to semi-protect (block non-registered or new users).  So we just keep our eyes on it and revert bad changes when they come up.   Kuru  talk  00:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

66.248.174.137 (talk) 20:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)== Capture & Dishonor == It isn't mentioned in the article, but I had always heard that after his defeat by the Texan/Tejano forces he abandoned his men and was captured in women's clothing (dress, bra, headscarf, etc.) while fleeing amongst a group of refugees. Is this true? If it is, we should probably add it to the article. Along with his other actions, this would make him the most dishonorable military commander, like, ever. It doesn't get much worse than abandoning your men and hiding among civilians in drag. Childe Roland of Gilead 05:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't remember the women's clothing, but he was captured by Samuel Highsmith wearing a Mexican Army privates' uniform (this is in James Haley's book Texas (the non-fiction one, not Michner's) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.74.232.50 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 4 April 2007

In another of his quick exits, I have heard that he hid in a piano case when he left Mexico for St. Thomas (in a trip that included the bulk of his country's treasury). Anything else about his time here on St. Thomas?

Possible moves, disambiguation
Santa Anna is currently a redirect to Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, and info about "Anna also known as Saint Anne" is at Anna. I want to make Saint Anne info at Saint Anne and make Santa Anna a disambiguation page to the various meanings, but I'm waiting for a consensus on the Anna/Saint Anne move. See Talk:Anna. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.165.239.87 (talk • contribs) 20:58-20:59, 1 November 2002


 * I think the name is Ana, not Anna (at least in spanish the name is Ana) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.85.122.145 (talk) 16:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Descendant descrepancy
The article states that Santa Anna's second wife bore no children. But then it says:

"In 1897, Santa Anna's grandson by his second marriage, Santa Anna III (1881–1965), entered the Jesuit order."

Does anyone know what really happened? Perhaps this was a son of one of the illegitimate children? Sniffer12 (talk) 04:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Seven or eleven time president
I have read time and again that he was president on eleven occassions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.161.133.79 (talk) 00:46, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

See the following:

http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/s_z/santaanna.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.161.133.79 (talk) 00:48, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Santa Anna's current image
How do Mexicans view Santa Anna today? As a patriot? A brutal leader? A corrupt dictator? A good guy? A bad guy? --A. B. 00:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * A nobody, almost. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.150.219.119 (talk • contribs) 06:39, 30 November 2006

Well, Santa Anna is seen today as one of the darkest (if not the most) figures of mexican history. He is remembered for his tyrannic regime and his 11 presidential periods, his mediocrity as a militar, his erratic behavior when supporting a cause (You must know that during the first decades of independent Mexico there was a continous struggle between two main factions: the liberals, that supported the creation of a federal republic, and the conservatives, the ones that believed a monarchy led by a european prince would be the best option for the country). The most remarkable fact of his presidency, and perhaps the most remembered one is that our country lost about half of his territory, which has annexed by the United States. So, as simple as that, we mexicans consider Santa Anna a miserable traitor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.56.210.149 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 25 January 2007

He is viewed as a traitor who was used by the United States in their "Manifest Destiny" colonialist plans. Santa Anna was used in a similar manner to how the US used certain Native Americans against other Native Americans or specific Native American individuals were used by the Whites. This is because just like the US government went about paying specific individuals (often times Indians they had gotten addicted to alcohol) or Indians who didn't even own the land the US was "buying" the US did the following with Santa Anna; referring to the so-called "Gadsden purchase": Santa Anna claimed that he had no choice: "The United States would had taken the area by force if he had not agree to the sale." A rebellion slowly gathered strength. On March 1, 1854, a new revolt began with the announcement of the Plan of Ayutla by Liberal leaders. It called for an end to Santa Anna's regime and the convening of a national congress to write a new liberal constitution. --Historylover4 (talk) 03:10, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Confused

 * In April 1853, he was invited back by rebellious conservatives, with whom he succeeded in retaking the government. This reign was no better than his earlier ones. He funneled government funds to his own pockets, sold more territory to the United States (see Gadsden Purchase), and declared himself dictator for life with the title "Most Serene Highness". The Ayutla Rebellion of 1854 removed Santa Anna from power.
 * Despite his generous payoffs to the military for loyalty, by 1855 even conservative allies had had enough of Santa Anna. That year a group of liberals led by Benito Juárez and Ignacio Comonfort overthrew Santa Anna, and he fled back to Cuba.

If the Ayutla Rebellion of 1854 removed him from power, how was he overthrown again in 1855 without coming back in to power? And why does the infobox have his term from 1853 to 1855? Nil Einne (talk) 11:38, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

execution
why did they not execute him like he did with all the people in the Alamo and Golidad?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.14.211.156 (talk) 02:59, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

"López de Santa Anna"
So, should our subject be known as "López" or "Santa Anna". He is referred to as "López" once in the text, and an editor has just changed it so that he is sorted by "López" in categories. However "Santa Anna" seems to be the more usual name used. It'd be good to be consistent unless there's a reason. Any thoughts? -Willmcw 20:41, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * I would simply leave all references to him as Santa Anna. You're correct, he is almost universally recognized as Santa Anna. Tlincoln 17:46, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

This is true in Mexico as well. He never seems to be referred to as "López" and rarely as "Lopez de Santa Anna", almost always as "Santa Anna", which, by the way is pronounced as though it were spelled "Santana". Both the use of his second last name and the pronounciation are exceptions to the usual rules in Spanish. --Rbraunwa 17:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Anyone know why it's spelled with two 'n's, contrary to the usual rule in Spanish? Paul Magnussen (talk) 16:28, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

-He is to be refered as 'Santa Anna', and the double 'n's are strange in Spanish but most surely come from one of the many languages that exist in the Spanish Peninsula.

More could be said
I think more could be said in this article, but I'm probably not the best person to attempt it. Anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.165.239.87 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 1 November 2002 santa anna:was saint anna to the other mexicans — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.214.72.202 (talk) 21:47, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Family
There are many wrong things being said about Santa Anna's family. As a historian, and expert in power and family relationships of the Viceroyalty of the New Spain, I think I can truly support the idea that Santa Anna belonged to the high class of Veracruz and not to the "criollo middle class" as it is being said. The fact that his father held a bureaucratic appointment does not mean that he was defined by that appointment, nor his family's economy, who's haciendas were very well-known at the time and who's last names represented everything that was criollo aristocratic identity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lope Díaz de Haro (talk • contribs) 21:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Slavery
I understood from one historian that part of the problem the Texans had with Santa Anna is that he did not allow slavery, widely practiced at the time in the southern regions of the present USA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.254.231 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 31 March 2005

Santa Anna was indeed opposed to slavery, although more than willing to compromise when politically expedient. Most Texians probably supported it, although relatively few owned slaves, and the Texas economy was not dependent upon slave labor to the extent the southern US economy was. There are only a handful of contemporary sources citing slavery as a key reason, among others, that the Texians rebelled, however. It has become popular in recent years to liken the Texas Revolution to the American Civil War, but that's probably not very accurate. By 1835, at least 75% of the population of Texas was Anglo, possibly higher. There was virtually no new Mexican settlement, and a steady stream of Anglo Americans and Europeans. When Santa Anna abrogated the Mexican Constitution and proclaimed himself dictator, most Texans were aghast at the prospect of being the subjects of a "foreign," dictatorial ruler, far away, with whom they had virtually nothing in common culturally, politically, or economically. It wasn't very hard from that position to move to outright rebellion. Given another decade, the issue of slavery would have become much more significant. At the same time, in a decade the Anglo population would have perhaps been in excess of 90%. The tide of history was simply against Mexico retaining control of Texas. Texas became a Mexican province by historical accident, inheriting it from Spain, which in turn owed it to the Papal compromise: not to settlement. To the north, the US and its burgeoning population, fueled by constant European immigration, superior economic and agricultural practices, and a cultural dynamism that just wasn't present in the old Spanish possessions, was on the move. There was no way Mexico was ever going to retain sparsely inhabited (by Mexicans), far-flung northern territories in the face of such competition.219.101.196.2 (talk) 09:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)Vainamoinen

Psychopath
Everything I've read about Santa Anna seems to mark him as a psychopath, but I've been unable to find readings that discuss his psychological make-up. Are there any references that anyone has read that could be cited for this aspect of his personality? 50.202.81.2 (talk) 01:11, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Lead paragraph
The lead paragraph is a little euphemistic, and kind of slides over his many problematic actions (such as that if anyone had direct personal responsibility for both "losing" Texas and "losing" upper California, it was Santa Anna)... AnonMoos (talk) 21:44, 22 April 2010 (UTC) crazy craz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.25.187.106 (talk) 17:09, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Ambiguous Death
Did Santa Anna die peacefully or commit suicide? Who was the General Cos named in the first section?66.135.89.24 (talk) 04:54, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

indians had NOT driven Spanish form New Mexico
in 1846 Santa fe and Albuerqueue were large towns,

see wiki history of new mexico [] 71.219.202.19 (talk) 18:21, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Important details
How can you write about Santa Anna without mentioning the Alamo and talking about his defeat at the hands of general Sam Houston? Also, he called himself the "Napolean of the West" and obviously modelled his uniforms and that of his soldiers on the Napoleanic tradition. Seems like it's lacking some important details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.91.63 (talk • contribs) 23:31-23:41, 16 November 2004
 * Improvements are welcome, as always. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 00:07, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Also what's written about the Alamo matter lacks citations and seems to be not neutral and justifying De Santa Anna behavior.Elettrozero (talk) 17:39, 10 December 2016 (UTC)elettrozero


 * The section is properly sourced. What information do you feel is inacurate or missiing? Mediatech492 (talk) 19:28, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Why not mention....?
I see several topics here regarding the number of presidencies, but why not mention, at least in a footnote, that several of the additional times were due to him returning after abandoning his post in the first place? I consider it the same "term" if he left the job in the hands of someone else and then returned to it later in the same period. The oft-cited Fowler claims six actual distinct presidencies, but the article doesn't mention the discrepancy. To present eleven as undisputed fact seems to me to be incomplete and not objective. RM2KX (talk) 03:22, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You know your stuff - edit the article, reference your additions. That's how WP works. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 23:59, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I just did it. I like to get some things on the discussion record first, especially on great articles like this one. RM2KX (talk) 02:00, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

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Main picture
There has been dispute about the main photo If someone could be willing to verify this, thanks

Lomjryo (talk) 14:55, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Needs a lot of improvement
This is an interesting and important entry, but unfortunately it is written very poorly. Facts are presented in short sentences as a condensed chronology of events, and sources are often mentioned inconsistently (for instance, mentioning a book by its title instead of referencing a bibliographical entry). There are also some paragraphs which seem to provide contradictory perspectives on events. It would help if the most objective perspective were presented first, and then the other positions/perspectives were presented (separately, and with proper attribution). Some examples are given below.

Seemingly uncalled for anecdotes: "With resentment growing, Santa Anna stepped down from power and fled in December 1844. The buried leg he left behind in the capital was dug up by a mob and dragged through the streets until nothing was left of it." - What does the information about the buried leg add to this paragraph? It seems to have been added for a reason, but it should be made clear. Is it argued that it symbolizes something?

Ambiguous/contradictory positions: "In August 1846, Santa Anna left for Veracruz. The Mexican people did not dwell on Santa Anna's past of military shortcomings and betrayals, because they still recognized him as a savior or hero who could make everything better. It had only been a year since he was forced out of the republic, but Santa Anna was still popular among the Mexican people. In "Santa Anna of Mexico", Fowler recognizes these events as a major turning point in Santa Anna's career and history, and explained his "transformation" or "resurrection" at the time. Though he had a history of corruption, many of the local people would often acknowledge that Santa Anna was the most reliable person to help Mexico get through the many obstacles and threats that the country would often face. His return was different from past events because Santa Anna had no intention of getting involved in politics again, intending to solely focus on aiding the military in its war against the United States.[47]" - The last sentence must be contextualized. I can only guess that it connects to the rest of the paragraph in relating to public opinion.

On the whole it would make the article less confusing if these opinions of Santa Anna were separated from the facts. It would also make sense to collect side notes on Santa Anna's opinion of himself into a designated section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.183.99.54 (talk) 13:43, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Opium addiction?
It was rumored that Santa Anna was an opium addict, according to "When Eagles Clash," any corroboration for this? -Babs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.136.24.56 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 17 September 2005

-Nonsense, that was only part of Houston's propaganda against him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lope Díaz de Haro (talk • contribs) 21:27, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I doubt anyone needed to use propaganda against such a pile of excrement, but keep defending him, my brave Mexican peon. be sure to put your machete to good use slaving away for the cartel!98.10.20.94 (talk) 15:04, 29 August 2019 (UTC)