Talk:Aphex Twin/Archive 4

Laptop as a musical instrument
Someone deleted laptop from the list of musical instruments. Listen mate, Aphex Twin popularised the laptop as an instrument for performing live musical performances. Do you realise this? He wasn't the first, but he popularised it. Goddamn cluebags messing with the genre names and instrument infobox stuff... readd it.


 * It's not an instrument. Also technically it doesn't matter wether you use a laptop or a desktop.83.118.88.137 22:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I propose to change laptop to computer. A laptop is a computer. Everything you do on laptop you can do on a computer. You can't hear what's specifically made on a laptop and what on a computer. A computer is an instrument as it can produce sound. Softsynth doesn't cover everything you can do with a computer. Biggiesmartypants 09:39, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Laptop, computer, softsynth.... This is ridiculous. I suggest we should just leave it at softsynth, since that is what is running when using a computer/laptop. You say softsynth can't do everything what a computer can? Of course that's what it is based on. If you're talking about the ordinary functions a computer has, that has nothing to do with the aspect of qualifying it as an instrument. McYaballow (talk) 19:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Laptop as well as computer as an instrument to me seems like too much and cluttering.Biggiesmartypants (talk) 21:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Richard built his own sampler and other lies
Richard's close friends support his claims that he built his own synthesizers and samplers from scratch in his early years—he is experienced in electronics and electricity, and has modified and circuit bent his equipment from a young age. Further, the UK music magazine Future Music ran an article (with photo) about a sampler he built for his microelectronics degree.
 * Mike Paradinas was on Richard's label, Richard has had his music released on Mike Paradinas' label. In an interview with Joyrex of www.joyrex.com, Mike Paradinas claimed Richard's claims about building synthesizers and samplers from scratch were total lies. Future Music magazine even got tricked into posting a picture of an obviously fake looking sampler. Mike Paradinas claims Richard used only normal equipment that was easily available to everyone, although some equipment was slightly modified. It's a shame I can't find the source, because some troll is twisting this article to suit his own bullshit.


 * Please try to find it; im very interested in this claim since I never heard of it before. McYaballow (talk) 19:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

IDM
Well, there's a difference between what you call IDM music, and then how the name IDM is applied to some music. When Aphex Twin makes a song he's just making music, and he's influenced by a lot of Acid House and Electronic Music and Classical composers. He is not doing anything "IDM". It's just that he hyped up his genius in the press to sell more copies, so the internet fans started a discussion forum and they describe his music as IDM. Even though his music is Electronic Music, which is a much more accurate name, considering Aphex Twin's history of studying Electronics and having Stockhausen as a hero. It's a popular name people use to describe music, but most of the time if you look at the individual albums up close then there is a better more specific name for it like Acid House, Drill and Bass, Ambient Techno, Ambient, Noise, Prepared Piano. They are also popular names to describe music, and they are more specific. If you then look at Autechre or some more modern groups then you could definitely call them IDM as they fall into it easily and can't be described as much else. I'm really into Aphex Twin and Electronic Music, and see it labelled IDM instead of something more accurate, and find it just weird. That IDM list could just take someone's artistic work and pidgeonhole it to a not very descriptive name, and we should stick with that even when most usually there are much more better and popular names available.

When Aphex Twin pushed the boundaries, he pushed the boundaries of Drum and Bass, Acid House, and so on. After this music came out, the fans labelled it IDM and drill and bass, and that is represented later on in the article. Seeing as that is what actually happened, I feel like that is the best way to show it in the article. So we say Aphex Twin is electronic music, because that's where the history, ideas, influences, and music come from. Then we say that the fans on the internet IDM list made the IDM name popular to describe it all, and that goes in the third party influences section, because they are a third party who created that stuff.


 * IMO IDM is not a music genre. It is something undescriptive and inaccurate. It is just a category invented for the hard to categorize genres. IDM is like alternative rock - no essence.


 * I think IDM can be pretty clearly defined. It is not a music genre as much as a way of making music. You can make acid house, techno, drum and bass or house music, with an IDM methodology. IDM is a way of making music which focuses on the technical and mathematicl aspects of the music. But in the same time there is no consensus what IDM is. It's a concept with a vague definition. But I don't think the article about Aphex mentions IDM excessively or inaccurately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.95.8.243 (talk) 09:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Sources, here!
Lots of sources here, many thanks to whoever added this link: 

One of the earliest sources on Aphex Twin, ooh nice: 

Please add any other great sources here as they will help us greatly in improving this article.Newsnight Watcher 09:57, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There is nothing regarding the so called IDM here. Dr. Who 13:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi there. The point of posting sources in this little section is so that editors have some reliable information with which to edit the article. I'm a bit confused by your response. Please if you find any great sources about Aphex Twin but you feel you don't have the time to make edits then please post those sources here. We have some good sources for the biography section and so on. If anyone has any more, please add them here. This sources section has nothing to do with genre names. Thanks. Good luck! Newsnight Watcher 19:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Layout
is it just me or does the layout get progressively worse towards the bottom of the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.22.148.33 (talk) 19:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

- not just you, the layout definitely DOES get worse as you scroll down...Alsdr 12:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks OK to me. What looks bad about it? Recury 14:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Call for opinions on Aphex Twin's music used on telly adverts and in the media
On September 29, 2007, Saturday Night Live ran a Digital Short Film featuring a parody song by Andy Samberg ridiculing Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's statement during a speech given earlier in the week that there were no gays in Iran. The Digital Short was based upon a music sample of "Avril 14th" by Aphex Twin. NBC removed the link to the parody from their website as apparently Aphex Twin had not granted clearance to use the sample.

Is this suitable material for the Aphex Twin article? I don't think so. A few people have edited this out of and back into the article. This isn't a vote call or anything, but what are your opinions about this paragraph and other paragraphs like this which say that Aphex Twin's song was used in some film director's project? If it was Chris Cunningham or something and Aphex Twin was actively involved in its production somehow then it might seem interesting. This paragraph is more about Saturday Night Live than it is about Aphex Twin. I mean, it's a long paragraph for such a trivial piece of information. Perhaps there should be a subsection for the advertisements and tv programmes that Aphex Twin has lent his music to, but I fear if we made it, things would quickly get out of hand and the article would be full of lists of adverts that have Aphex Twin songs on them. That would junk up the article with boring crap. What do you guys think? Joyrex (talk) 17:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's see the video in question -Gohst (talk) 08:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Ween

 * What's with this nonsense of Richard D. James liking Ween? The sources don't check out... it looks fishy --tbone (talk) 21:29, 1 January 2008
 * Sounds like bull to me, so I deleted it. However I'd be happy to see it here again with a working citation. --Dagibit (talk) 13:34, 16 January 2008
 * Here is the link to him talking about some of his favourite music, on this page it also links from his name to a full interview from the same website - http://www.furious.com/perfect/staff2.html (UTC)

He's said so in an interview, so it's not bull. Someone will dig it up I hope.

I also read this in an interview, not bull. -pylum —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.77.200 (talk) 10:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

drum and bass/drill and bass
drill and bass is a genre name used in some internet communities. i know because i've worked on the drill and bass article for this site. it's rarely used in the press. aphex twin created drum and bass tunes that were quite weird. they're still drum and bass. richard pushed forward drum and bass. drill and bass is not really encyclopaedic as it is not widely used. richard himself referred to those style of tunes as jungle in his interviews. considering the history of this article, let's not see another edit war about genre names? all opinions welcome. Joyrex (talk) 21:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you get a source for it? I'm sure he "pushed forward" several kinds of music as much as it is possible to, but I wouldn't have thought of drum and bass as one of them. Recury (talk) 03:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

It should say Jungle, however Drum & Bass is synonymous with Jungle. Here are two quotes from above: ""Richard D. James Album" - This is Aphex's foray into jungle" "Richard D. James, known by many as Aphex Twin, began his career in the mid 80's composing jungle, industrial, and ambient techno for the U.K. dance scene." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainbowabc (talk • contribs) 11:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC) ""Richard D. James Album" - This is Aphex's foray into jungle, and would be a good starting point, if you absolutely can't find the other two, and features some of his most pop-oriented music. Leave it to Richard to redefine jungle in his own image. It is widely available, as well." http://xltronic.com/nostalgia/aphextwin.nu/v4/learn/98770881649888.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainbowabc (talk • contribs) 11:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Also known as...
I'm assuming the "Also known as" section in the infobox has "Prichard G. Jams" listed as what he mis-typed his name as being on the back of Squarepusher's CD. Having checked my copy just now, it quite clearly says PRichard.D.Jams - I'm going ahead to change it to Prichard D. Jams - if anyone wants to disagree, please do. -Gohst (talk) 07:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

New pic
Good to see someone else has put the latest pic of him up, i was about to do it! :) Terrasidius (talk) 21:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please put up more pics while following the rules so the pics aren't deleted :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.131.123 (talk) 22:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

edit war (reprise)
theres an edit war starting up re: the "idm musicians" category. 3 letters, 1 wikipedia page, a 2 year edit war... not priceless. ceasefire imo and work on add good content to the article itself tbh.
 * That category was created by someone pissed off with the edit warring over artists included on a list on the IDM page. The point was to stop edit warring from happening, but it has merely brought the edit war over here to the Aphex Twin page. That category has been off the page for about 4 months but it seems like user Kaini is trying to kick off another edit war. Pillock. Fuck this edit war business, fuck it in the eyesockets. Contribute something useful to the article for fuck's sake. Joyrex (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 17:53, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:CIVIL, please. i'm not trying to start an edit war. i didn't realise it was gone for that length of time when i reverted it. and as an aside, if there is a cat for idm musicians, it's not much of a cat without aphex really, is it? --Kaini (talk) 19:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "it's not much of a cat without aphex really, is it?" Exactly, if you don't like the category, go to WP:CFD. Removing all of the articles from it is not the way to go. Recury (talk) 18:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * straw man excuse for edit warrioring —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.65.196 (talk) 13:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

joyrex, swearing isn't helpful. kaini, if it's causing childish fights, it's not that important to keep something insignificant. in your mind you may not be trying to start a childish argument, but in reality that is what your actions are causing on wikipedia. stop throwing your toys out of the pram everyone. im put off from editing wikipedia if this childishness carries on. Ceasefire joanne (talk) 08:58, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * IDM is not a music genre, it's a mailing list that happened to be run by fans of Aphex Twin.

Aphex's music is not intelligent, even though he might be. Music is sound, it can't be intelligent because it doesn't have a mind. It's not dance, you can't really dance to any Aphex Twin tunes. "Dance" as a genre was just a term used in the 90s by lazy journalists who didn't like or understand electronic music. "IDM" was an even more lazy extention of that invented by people who couldn't think of a better way to categorise and pigeonhole something that didn't need any further definition. You can no more be an "IDM Musician" as you can be an "Time Magazine Filmmaker" or an "eBay writer" (except of course if you work for those organisations). Aphex himself dismisses the term as embarassing, and British artist Mike Paradinas (µ-Ziq) has bluntly said: “No one uses or used it in UK. Only Americans ever used the term. It was invented by Alan Parry who set up the IDM mailing list.” I live in teh UK, where afx is from, and have never seen or heard the term used outside of the internet. The term IDM as a music genre is therefore NOT wiki-worthy, it's not even worth saying. I hate that I've even had to type it to justify myself here. The end. John 82.15.237.179 (talk) 19:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC) what is wikipedia? a repository of genre arguments? recury is a troublemaker. Ceasefire joanne (talk) 22:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure why you need to call me names now, but I've told you what you need to do. Just removing the category from valid pages is vandalism. Get the whole category deleted if you don't agree that it should exist. Recury (talk) 21:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

you are a troublemaker. you added the category 10 times. you was arguing since 2006, not providing good sources. i'll tell you now to stop. adding this category is against the majority of opinian. you are making the article revolve around you, grow up, and don't tell me to delete a category in weak defence of your 'fail' ideas and selfishness. all you do is fight and cause trouble Ceasefire joanne (talk) 08:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * whilst this edit war is regrettable, the straw poll earlier this page says differently to you. take it to CfD. --Kaini (talk) 09:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

the straw poll is not even about the category being edited. this entire page of writing says differently to you. dont try to trick me. im not stupid. Ceasefire joanne (talk) 10:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * the straw poll is about the term 'IDM', regardless of its context or usage. i'm not trying to trick you, and please remain civil. --Kaini (talk) 10:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

"should the term IDM be included in the list of genres in this article?" nice try. no category there. the majority of opinian rejected the category so it needs deleting besides the point it was deleted for months until troulemaker started troublemakin'. Ceasefire joanne (talk) 15:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * take it to CfD then. otherwise i'm going to request RfA on this. --Kaini (talk) 17:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * and incidentally, why does your userpage say i love idm, dubstep, and the classics! any problems, ring my bell considering your position on this issue? --Kaini (talk) 10:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

whats my taste in music got to do with your edit war? Ceasefire joanne (talk) 15:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * well, you acknowledge the term idm there. i'm just curious. and not my edit war. --Kaini (talk) 17:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

lol, yes i acknowledge the term. why are you siding with troublemaker recury then? Ceasefire joanne (talk) 07:38, 16 February 2008 (UTC) ps i was on forum.watmm.com last night, noticed this avater. no wonder you are making such a fuss!!! lol roflCeasefire joanne (talk) 07:38, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * meant in a humorous way. if you were a regular there you'd see i've been using cheese/idm avatars for ages. anyway that is borderline ad hominem. --Kaini (talk) 00:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

The history of the IDM musicians category: It was created by user MJB to stop edit warring over lists of artists included. It's ok to have a list of artists. Aphex Twin doesn't belong in the list. The irony is, the point of the category was to stop edit wars. However, Recury and Kaini are trying to push it back into the Aphex Twin article despite the huge amount of good opinion backed up by reliable sources and despite the fact that it was out of the article for about 4 months (which is consensus in itself). Nobody is going to WP:CFD to get the category deleted because nobody wants it deleted. We're only deleting it from this page because it doesn't belong here. This CFD business is a distraction argument. I'm removing the IDM musicians category because of the overwhelming well-researched opinion of the talk page that suggests that IDM is not a term that deserves much importance on the Aphex Twin article. It's a term used in the underground, but unfortunately it's not encyclopaedic enough to have any prominence here. Whether it exists in other articles or not is immaterial to me, and probably everyone else. The fact that it was out of the article for months and you guys are starting an edit war is also totally totally wrong. You should have tried to gather some consensus before being disruptive yet again.

Fairplay, Kaini has warned Recury about 3rr (which Recury has ignored) on his talk page which contains a record that Recury has been in trouble for 3rr before. Joanne, it's not like you haven't gone on a 3rr rampage either, pot kettle black.

I'm pretty angry at those guys because we solve one edit war, they start another one. I don't think these guys have contributed anything to the Aphex Twin page except edit warring. British artist Mike Paradinas (µ-Ziq) has bluntly said: "No one uses or used it in UK. Only Americans ever used the term. It was invented by Alan Parry who set up the IDM mailing list." Enough said. Joyrex (talk) 11:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * i'm done with this debate. there are other things on wiki i can contribute to more productively. but if there exists an idm cat, i maintain it's pretty apparent rich belongs in there. anyway, this is a ridiculous argument and i'm out. --01:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaini (talk • contribs)

recury still troublemakin' against majority of opinian of talk:aphex twin section. tut tut. Ceasefire joanne (talk) 08:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Trent Reznor
I'm surprised theres no mention of Reznor, as he's a big fan of Aphex Twin & they've done quite a few remixes together (Nine Inch Nails/The Beauty of Being Numb Section B created by Aphew Twin, At The Heart Of Ot All etc). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.247.210 (talk) 12:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not really noteworthy that Trent's a fan of RDJ's music. And they didn't exactly do the remixes "together" - tracks were delivered to RDJ, which he may or may not have used to create the "remixes". RDJ has stated in interviews that he has, at times, simply handed over his own tracks instead of taking the time to remix someone else's work. dil (talk) 04:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Please contribute and help to edit the Aphex Twin article from a B grade one to an A class one, eh?
What do you say? Let's edit the article with this B to A goal in mind! Joyrex (talk) 19:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

BBC Digital Widescreen Test Transmission
Does anyone know much about this. I've removed the obviously wrong bit, as it wasn't in a loop for 4/5 years, just a couple of shorter periods of testing, but does anyone know:

a) What were the exact dates. b) What platform(s) were the 1998 tests on (the 2002 tests were only on digital terrestrial AFAIK)

Perhaps the wrong page really, but AFAIK these are the only pages on Wikipedia to mention the tests... FredOrAlive (talk) 22:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Piano and prepared piano as intruments
It's not clear RDJ plays the piano or the prepared piano or wether he programmed a pianola of some sort or used samples from either like he did with the violin. Therefor those can't be named as intruments i think. I don't think someone saw him perform with a piano at any time yet that's the image you get when you see paino listed as instrument.Biggiesmartypants (talk) 19:56, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * the piano pieces on drukqs use a midi-controlled piano (a disklavier or something, i forget) controlled from a laptop. i don't think rdj has any classical training or anything. --Kaini (talk) 20:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed these instruments.Biggiesmartypants (talk) 21:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * i'd have left prepared piano, because i'm sure rich prepared it himself, and, well.. it's a prepared piano :P by nature less focus on the keys and maybe melody, and more on the texture of the sound. thoughts? --Kaini (talk) 23:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean but for me it's still a piano.. I'd only give it the proper emphasize by mentioning it with the drukqs albumBiggiesmartypants (talk) 08:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Without a source, I'd leave prepared piano out. dil (talk) 13:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Various comments
article needs a reference[s] for his crediting with innovations in techno etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.67.183.5 (talk) 05:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Chris Cunningham himself responsible for the "afx237 v7" remix used in Rubber Johnny? I believe he said so in an interview - Gencoil

Under Alias Smojface should also be included

Not Irish????
A few hours ago, I assessed this article for WikiProject Ireland and added the project's banner. The banner was removed with the edit summary "He's not Irish!".

However, the opening sentence of the article says that he "is a British/Irish electronic music artist", and later it explains that he we was born in Limerick.

Either the article is wrong, or the editor who removed the WikiProject Ireland banner is wrong. Which is it? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Richard was born in Limerick, a fact that generally is accepted as canon or recognised or whatever on electronic music forums and suchlike. Unfortunately the only citations I have to hand are a few recollections of mentions of this fact on No Disco and in Hot Press, hardly WP:V material I would agree. However, there may be a nicer cite on usenet or something, who knows. I would move to include it, but with a citation needed tag. Regarding if that makes him an Irish electronic musician, that's really a different argument. Personally I'd regard him as Cornish; he seems to regard himself as such. --00:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't know and I'm sorry for the fast removal. However I consider him more as originating from Cornwall too because he grew up there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biggiesmartypants (talk • contribs) 07:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Calling him british/irish musician is ridiculous in my opinion, but the second sentence is even more ridiculous, according to wiki standard that is, "He has been described as "the most inventive and influential figure in contemporary electronic music." because it's complete POV. This whole article probably needs to be re-written. In the meantime i'm rewriting the first paragraph and I'm removing the Irish portal link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biggiesmartypants (talk • contribs) 02:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Archived alot of talk
New: archive 2 as well as 3. Kept everything from this year and some more. Lotsa talk about IDM archived, hopefully Not to repeat the same discussion again :)Biggiesmartypants (talk) 20:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Big re-write
This article has been rated B-class and I'm starting to try and make it better. These are the big changes I've made so far: Biggiesmartypants (talk) 04:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought it would just be some removing of POV and some rewriting. But the information just got poor at some point. So I'm done a bit with doing this for now. Biggiesmartypants (talk) 01:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Opening

"British/Irish electronic music artist" I changed this to London-based musician. To me it's hardly relevant James is born in Ireland. He grew up in Cornwall, he spent most of his career in London, he now lives in London: it's safe to say he's a London-based musician.

History

Early years

"As a child he experimented on the strings and hammers of the family piano." (first sentence), from source http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/aphextwin/biography. This is a fun fact, but it doesn't explain anything. Lots of kids have done this and haven't turned out into great electronic musicians. Removed. Biggiesmartypants (talk) 04:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Early career: early 1990s

Done this one now. Biggiesmartypants (talk) 23:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * cleaned a few bits and bobs up. also i just figured out you can preview most of this book online. pretty fat reference! --Kaini (talk) 00:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There exists a book on Warp as well.Biggiesmartypants (talk) 01:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

The second sentence: Aphex described as "the most inventive and influential"
"He has been described as "the most inventive and influential figure in contemporary electronic music."[1]" from source

This is an opening of an article that's ment to lure readers in, I left it out. It is not a source that can be copied in the opening paragraph of this article. I guess Aphex Twin could be called influential somewhere in the article but with extreme caution because it's Point of View.
 * Why has this been placed back?Biggiesmartypants (talk) 19:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Removed this sentence again.Biggiesmartypants (talk) 20:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ..and it's back again. my 2c - it's a referenced statement, and is relatively neutral. to put it another way, we can't say 'he is the most influential figure in electronic music' but we can say 'he has been described as the most influential figure in electronic music', and provide a reference. i say keep it. --Kaini (talk) 15:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A source would be a book or an article from someone who knows what he's talking about, not the quoted article. The quoted article is not scientific. It may be fun to read for someone who doesn't know aphex twin but otherwise it's worthless. This second sentence of this wiki page makes it ridiculous from the get-go. The rest is sub-par too so i guess it fits. I'm out Biggiesmartypants (talk) 12:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * that ref is from the guardian. refs don't get much more verifiable/notable than that. Also this article should be geared towards 'someone who doesn't know aphex twin'! --Kaini (talk) 09:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's been kind of quoted out of context because what I said about luring the reader in, it's typical journalistic stuff to keep the reader interested. Also this journalist isn't an authoritiy on musical influence (I have looked the writer up). I personally am not able to read past such a sentence in an opening paragraph in a wiki. I agree with your "Also this article should be geared towards 'someone who doesn't know aphex twin'!" but at the same time I'd want the article as scientifically correct as possible. Biggiesmartypants (talk) 14:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay I'm proposing this instead: "Many artists have said they've been influenced by the music of Aphex Twin. Many critics have applauded the innovativeness of his sound." Or something that's worded better. I propose this becauese it is more factual and therefor encyclopedic (sources with these sentences would be nice). Or I'm proposing a sentence similar to the one that's there now, but from an authoritative figure. Biggiesmartypants (talk) 07:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Analogue Bubblebath 5 Deletion
The twat who deleted the Analogue Bubblebath 5 can go fuck himself. I've read plenty of articles on the LP and I'd say that it really does has enough reliable sources. I hate people who go around deleting articles like this rather than improving others or deleting REALLY inappropriate ones. 90.242.125.25 (talk) 13:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wiki doesn't want you to swear but be polite. I hold no opinion on this ABB5 matter and I didn't remove it. But I suppose it would help if you showed some of those sources. Biggiesmartypants (talk) 11:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Can this whole 'contribution' be deleted? Biggiesmartypants (talk) 14:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)