Talk:Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour

Article creation
Although information about this tour is a bit premature, I am going to go ahead and create the article and add information as possible. Please, let's not turn this into chaos, please discuss any significant article changes here or place rationale for any edits here as well. Itsbydesign (talk) 00:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Page Move
Recently, Jwad moved the article to Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour. Although this the "official" name of the tour, the tour is being acknowledge by different names in different regions. In Japan, it is called Aphrodite Tour and in North America, it's known as Aphrodite Live. In my belief, it is better to acknowledge the tour by a universal name since the ALFT is not how the tour is advertised in all regions. If the tour was known by one name, I would have no problem agreeing with the move. Additionally, I don't understand someone placing a "year" in the tour title, especially if the tour caries on for multiple years. So to sum up m y point, I feel that for encyclopedic purposes, the article should be a common universal name mentioned the different names in each region. Itsbydesign (talk) 00:32, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Where are your references for these names? Official press release for EU and UK states it as Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour 2011. Your edits will be reverted until you provide official references. You referred to the year being used in the title - I draw your attention to KylieFever2002 and KylieX2008. Thanks  J W A D  Communicate|Nicely 00:43, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Your edits have been reverted based upon several reasons. One, this is a discussion, not "do as I want". Two, as you stated above, the European press release states one title. That is your keyword, European. If you look here, its called Les Folies World Tour. If you look here, its called Les Folies Tour, if you look here and here, its called Aphrodite Live 2011'. Finally, if you look here you will see where it is called "Aphrodite Tour", as I have all mentioned above. Its best to take the time to do your research instead of relying on others to do it for you. The reason why I prefer a common name is because the title can be disputed based upon the region where you live. Additionally, the universal title of LFT falls under Wikipedia guidelines for common name and neutrality in title. Furthermore, those tours you mentioned were the advertised and common name of the tour plus they only tour in the year stated in the title. There no proof that the tour will not continue into 2012. So then we change the article title again to A:LST 2012??? Itsbydesign (talk) 01:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry but Official Press Release trumps what you have provided as references (two of which are blogs) except for Aphrodite Live 2011here which is official and this reference should have been used in the opening statement of the article??. I am not opposed to removing the 2011 in the title, I was simply referring to the OPR and also that two other tours have the year.  J W A D  Communicate|Nicely 01:16, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with itsbydesign. It's called so many things in many different places. I think we should stick with simply Les Folies Tour for now. I'm sure an official name will come up eventually, you guys saw the confusion about The Sun Comes Out World Tour name, right? ℥nding · start 01:22, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Regardless, Wikipedia states third party reliable sources, nothing about "official". If that was the case, 90% of all information on Wikipedia would be removed. Secondly, no one source is held in higher regard over another in this forum, this is merely your opinion. All of the sources I provided came from reliable press media in the that have a paper and online identity (Miami New Times, The Washington Examiner, The Guardian) along with the North American tour promoter and her record label in Japan. I am fully aware of what Kylie's website states and what the European press release states but as you can see, she touring three main territories and the tour is called/advertised/acknowledge by three different names. Even on her website it says, "THE ‘APHRODITE LIVE 2011′ WORLD TOUR IS COMING TO NORTH AMERICA", "KYLIE ADDS MORE UK DATES TO ‘APHRODITE-LES FOLIES TOUR 2011′!" and "THE SHOWGIRL RETURNS TO JAPAN!" (in which the article calls it the 'Aphrodite Tour'). This discussion was held back when the article was called "Aphrodite World Tour" (and I am digging now for a link) What if it's changed again to "Aphrodite: Live Down Under" or "Aphrodite: Hot in the Caribbean". This is why the whole policy of common names was create so that articles would not keep getting moved and redirect and so on. Itsbydesign (talk) 01:39, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry but I am not interested in getting into an edit war with you. I will let administration deal with it. And in my opinion, if this article was to go by a common name - it would not be Les Follies Tour as the articles you have provided mention Aphrodite every time, so this is the common name.  J W A D  Communicate|Nicely 02:12, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actions speak louder than words. If you were not interested in starting an edit war, then would have contributed to this discussion with reverting anything. What did you do instead? You huffed and puffed assuming that if you get abrasive with me that I was just gonna back down and let you have your way. Not gonna happen! Saying things like "this is official press release and official poster" and "i'm gonna keep reverting your edits til you provided resources" says nothing but edit warring to me. I disagreed with your edit and I explained myself thoroughly and everytime you disagreed with me, I provided further evidence to support my claim. As I left on your talk page, if you want to accuse me of 3RR, I can do the same to you as well, so don't use that as a tactic to scare me because it doesn't work. Itsbydesign (talk) 03:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree somewhat. You should have probably started a discussion about a move before doing so. I'll echo what I said, and say it's fine for the time being. ℥nding · start 03:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I might be doing it wrong and I apologise in advance, this is the first time I use wikipedia. Here's my input. I asked the official KylieLesFolies twitter account about the name.

Their account is: http://twitter.com/#!/KylieLesFolies and my account is: http://twitter.com/#!/Chrisjcxa. And the dialogue was: Me: @KylieLesFolies Could you please clarify the official name of the tour? To my understanding it is 'Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour' universally. @KylieLesFolies But more specifically Aphrodite-LesFolies2011 forEurope & Aphrodite-Live2011 for the rest of the so far announced tourstops? Them: @Chrisjcxa yes, that's pretty well said Also it is pretty clear at the facebook page of the tour what the general name is: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kylie-Aphrodite-World-Tour/137465679622201?v=wall And at the bottom of this page, you can see the name of each leg, where the dates for the tour are: http://www.kylie.com/tour/#tourscrollto —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.212.70.133 (talk) 22:52, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Hope this helps. And I also hope I didn't mess up with anything... Chrisjcxa (talk) 20:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


 * 83.212.70.133 - Yes this helps and completely proves that when I moved the page I was more correct in calling it Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour 2011 than the incorrect title of Les Folies. This page IMO should be changed to Aphrodite World Tour or Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour or simply Aphrodite Tour not Les Folies (nonsensical - all press releases and articles mention Aphrodite, which is the common name for this tour). Thanks  J W A D  Communicate|Nicely 17:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Since there are a million different names, I agree we need to come to the conclusion of one. But not just a few people in the discussion, I think a lot of people need to be involved to determine the best name choice. I think that Aphrodite World Tour would be the best choice of name. It's what the official Facebook page says, and all the different names have that in common. ℥nding · start 19:15, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Can one person neatly and succinctly list the reliable sources and what they call the tour because this is getting too confusing. --  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  19:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, here it is.

On the official facebook page of the tour it is titled Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour. Here's the page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kylie-Aphrodite-World-Tour/137465679622201?v=wall Now, on the official site Kylie.com you see that the European leg is called Aphrodite Les Folies Tour (2011) and the rest of the dates/legs (all of whom most probably feature the scaled-down version) are called Aphrodite Live 2011. The two 'legs' also feature totally different banner/promotional poster, but I cannot find the source right now. Here are the links: http://www.kylie.com/tour/#tourscrollto http://www.kylie.com/news/kylie-adds-more-uk-dates-to-aphrodite-les-folies-tour-2011/ http://www.kylie.com/news/the-aphrodite-live-2011-world-tour-is-coming-to-north-america/ An exchange of tweets between the official twitter account of the tour and my own confirm that those are the correct facts. Here are the twitter accounts: http://twitter.com/KylieLesFolies# http://twitter.com/Chrisjcxa# Chrisjcxa (talk) 20:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, this is the discussion from January 21 between me and them:

Me: "@KylieLesFolies Could you please clarify the official name of the tour? To my understanding it is 'Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour' universally." "@KylieLesFolies But more specifically Aphrodite-LesFolies2011 forEurope & Aphrodite-Live2011 for the rest of the so far announced tourstops?" Them: "@Chrisjcxa yes, that's pretty well said" So it is pretty clear that the name is Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour (I don't know if it is correct to detract the "Kylie:" part). And the european leg is Aphrodite Les Folies Tour 2011 (with 2011 omitted quite often) and the rest dates are part of Aphrodite Live 2011. The difference is indeed that the splash zone is only available in the Les Folies shows. This was confirmed by the twitter account on January 19 in a discussion between them and this account: http://twitter.com/#!/RedDandy Chrisjcxa (talk) 21:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Twitter can't be used as a source on Wikipedia, but with all the other sources, I think it's safe to call it the Aphrodite World Tour, and specify of the different names for different legs. ℥nding · start 18:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved to Aphrodite World Tour. Consensus was in favor of the move. Alpha Quadrant   talk    21:08, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Les Folies Tour → Aphrodite World Tour — Please read the discussion above before supporting or not supporting the move. But to sum it up, the official Facebook page lists it as the Aphrodite World Tour see here, while still using the different names for each leg. It seems to me that it is simply being advertised as different names on each leg. ℥nding · start 18:54, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Basically European dates (and presumably Australian dates later on) get some extra spectacle (with the water element on-stage in what is called the splash zone where the standing audience on the front rows is), so what changes is what is provided to the audience-a slightly different kind of show. So it is the same tour, the Aphrodite World Tour, but since the show in Europe is different it is called one way, and the one in other dates is called another way. It is not just a matter of advertising it under a different name. This is clearly stated here on the official web site. Chrisjcxa (talk) 19:48, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that is true. But since there are so far 2 different names for the legs of the tour, we can only assume that they are simply advertised that way, because you don't have three official names of a tour. You know what I mean? ℥nding · start 20:04, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess so. Anyways it is totally obvious that the general name is (Kylie:) Aphrodite World Tour as it appears on facebook. And it is totally clear that Les Folies is only a way to set the European show apart, so it is in no case the general name of the tour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisjcxa (talk • contribs) 20:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with the move to Aphrodite World Tour - at last some sense!  J W A D  Communicate|Nicely 00:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Although I slightly agree with everyone's comments, I deeply believe that the page should remain at its current title, for the time being. As we see with this "facebook" page, the tour is being acknowledged by yet another title. As the press release for North America and Japan states, the primary reason for the tour name difference is so that Japanese and American/Canadian audiences are not "fooled" into believing they are getting the show that is being advertised in Europe (with the "Splash Zone" as Chrisjcxa noted). Logically, I feel "...World Tour" would be a universal title as it suits the difficulty with tour names. However, with popularity, the tour is going to be notable based upon whatever spectacle will take place in Europe, not a "stripped" version that will be presented by Japan and North America. Additionally, we don't know exactly what the difference will be beyond this water element. Is it going to be a different stage? different costumes? different songs? Or will it all be the same just without water? I think it would be best to hold at bay until we can get a review of a show in Europe, Japan and North America so that we can compare the differences and say, "Yeah, it was still the same 'Les Folies" but with no water" or "Everything was different". I would hate to say for the sake of Wikipedia, it will be known as this but throughout media, etc. will be known as something else.Itsbydesign (talk) 19:07, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, there is some rumored speculation that some dates in Europe (not counting UK) will be be getting this water element as well. Itsbydesign (talk) 19:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What you mean is that there will be European dates without the Splash Zone? This was discussed during the early days of the announcement of dates in Europe, when Splash tickets were only available in no more than five dates. After that Splash Tickets became available for all the European dates so there is no way (unless there is any sort of accident) that any of the so far announced European dates will not feature the Splash zone element. Here you can see that splash tickets are available for 35 out of all 35 announced European dates, so, yes, splash zone is what makes this leg of Aphrodite World Tour the Aphrodite Les Folies Tour, as described here (on the right side of the page is also where you can see the link to the splash tickets that I provided above). On the other hand, I totally get what you're saying, but I still think it is inaccurate to let the title be Les Folies, when many dates don't have anything to do what the name stands for. Even in this case, Aphrodite-Les Folies Tour is the correct name. It has never been refered to simply as Les Folies Tour. It is not the name of the tour, it is not the name of any leg of the tour. Aphrodite Les Folies Tour is. So regarding the two opinions I believe they are pretty much equally valid at this point...We can easily call it Aphrodite World Tour because that is what it is called universaly (which I support since Les Folies is only used for Europe and for what will be characteristic of the shows in Europe only), or call it Aphrodite Les Folies Tour as most probably this is the name that the tour will go by as part of Kylie's history and how the fans will remember it. Chrisjcxa (talk) 01:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not referring to websites or press releases. The general public does not read official websites and press releases. They read news sites, newspaper articles, etc. And in those publication, the tour has been referred to by all three names. The media is how people are aware of things. "Fans" are going to go to an official website but casual concert attenders (as not all concerts are attended by fans of the musician) may read an article in the New York Times or the Independent that may lead to the musician's website or a ticket agent. Additionally, as you need to notice, the venue has changed from an arena to a concert hall in Amsterdam which may not support the stage. Thus my comment about this water element not being in all EU shows stands since last time I checked the Netherlands was a part of Europe plus there is no guarantee until it happens. Splash zone to me is no different then saying "Gold section" or "VIP seating". The only difference we know of is this water element. What I am saying is that there needs to be a comparison of shows before the title is changed. Itsbydesign (talk) 12:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I had already got all that, but I guess I confused you. The only thing I hadn't concidered was the venue change which is a very strong point. I still think that Les Folies Tour should in no case be the name used by wikipedia. I agree with Aphrodite Les Folies Tour. But not just Les Folies Tour, because that is just a short name of Aphrodite Les Folies Tour. The fact that it has been refered to as such makes sense since it is a short name, but the tour will never go just by Les Folies Tour. So in the case that the shows are practically the same in all leg and we decide to keep the name Les Folies, then the title of the article should be Aphrodite Les Folies Tour. And in the case there are more changes and we decide to rename it, it will turn to Aphrodite World Tour. In any of these cases, it will not be named Les Folies Tour, even if it has been refered to as such in short. So why keep this name? This is the point I was trying to make.Chrisjcxa (talk) 12:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC) Let me point out that you have said it has been refered to with all these names (not just Les Folies Tour), so why do we keep the most innaccurate one as the title of the article? It would make sense to keep it if it was the only one used. It makes sense to use one of the other names since they have been used as well and they happen to be the actual names of the tour. Chrisjcxa (talk) 13:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * At first I thought, no. But I reviewed the evidence and came to the following solution.
 * Rename the article Aphrodite World Tour.
 * Create redirects and sections of Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour, Aphrodite Live, etc. until they can withstand their own pages.
 * There. Everyone cool with this solution? I Help, When I Can. [12] 01:56, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Also on another note, we at the Kylie Minogue Wikiproject would love new members... I Help, When I Can. [12] 01:56, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree what I Help When I Can said above. I think it's the best choice. ℥nding · start 03:45, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

See the problem with this is that we don't know if there will be a need for seperate pages. The shows might be 95% the same. This is a point Itsbydesign was trying to make. But beyond that, I think that we all agree that there is no valid reason to keep the name of the article as Les Folies Tour, when it is in fact the Aphrodite World Tour and not the Les Folies Tour, and when the name Aphrodite World Tour is by far the one that is much easier recognisable universally as the current tour's name.Chrisjcxa (talk) 10:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC) So name it that and mention the various names/create seperate sections if necessary/helpful inside the article. Chrisjcxa (talk) 10:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * So we all agree with the move and the mention of all names?Chrisjcxa (talk) 00:32, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * We need people to BOLDY say whether they support it or not. I'm starting a new section below. No more big discussion please. ℥nding · start 17:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * comment:I just now found these links thought I'd share. Thought it would help make things even clearer. I put them on the discussion section and not in the vote section so that I don't interrupt the proceedure of voting.
 * Here you can see the Aphrodite Les Folies official poster/banner on Steve Anderson's official website, which states the name as Aphrodite Les Folies Tour 2011 and not Les Folies, as our article is faulsely entitled.
 * Here you can see the Aphrodite Live 2011 Tour official poster/banner uploaded by the official KylieLesFolies account so in fact it is not called Aphrodite Les Folies everywhere.
 * Here you can see the official tour page naming each leg with the above mentioned names.
 * Also, while the page is being updated regularly with all changes, including venue changes, the information about the Splash Pack tickets and the Splash Zone (inside the main text and right below the european dates) still states that the full water experience will be provided in all the shows under the Aphrodite Les Folies name and in no other shows.
 * (this is something that is quite likely to change since some dates that got new smaller venues might not fit the whole stage, however that is something we cannot know, and the site states that all shows will get the full experience)
 * So Aphrodite Les Folies and Aphrodite Live 2011 are named differently intentionally to set them apart. Which is exactly what Kylie does as well in January 30, stating "Send me your favourite song lyric. Who knows, I might sing it in #AphroditeLesFolies / #AphroditeLive ..." in her official twitter account if the other official and reliable sources provided are not enough to convince us.
 * Finally, the official facebook page of the tour, not only is entitled Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour, but also calls the whole tour after this name in this post.
 * If you don't support the reliability of all these sources that say that the whole tour is called Kylie: Aphrodite World Tour with one leg being called one way and the other leg being called another way, you can go back and check the links from my twitter conversation with the official KylieLesFolies account confirming that these are the actual and official names of the tour and legs respectively.
 * So, a. we cannot ommit any of the names fromt the article. b. all the names include Aphrodite as the common name part, which only makes sense, since anyone who is looking for the next Kylie tour will search for it with the name of her latest album anyway.So it cannot possible be ommited by the title of the article. c. we do not try to fashion names here, we try to make sure we get what the real, official name the sources state is. So if we were to call it Aphrodite Les Folies, we wouldn't do it just so that we combined parts of all the names. The only reason to call it Aphrodite Les Folies Tour and not Aphrodite World Tour which is the name of the whole tour, would be the fact that the Aphrodite Les Folies tour leg is the one that is being advertised as the main one, the one that the developers had in mind while creating the show, the one that was stated to the public as the name of Kylie's next project before any other details, dates or names came up.
 * So this is the name people got used to recognise the tour by, before the official universal name Aphrodite World Tour was used by the offical sources. And if it turns out that not all European shows get the water experience and/or that the only difference between all the dates of all legs is the addition or ommition of that one element, then it would be a valid request to put to the table, naming the article Aphrodite Les Folies Tour. But as long as the tour has not ended, and it is officially named Aphrodite World Tour, I don't see any reason not to use it for the article, especially since using Aphrodite Les Folies Tour 2011 or Aphrodite Live 2011 Tour would be false.Chrisjcxa (talk) 23:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Vote
State whether you support or don't support the move. No more big discussion please. It needs to be clear. ℥nding · start 17:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I support the move. The current name is not proper.Chrisjcxa (talk) 18:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Oppose. The tour has been called Les Folies Tour by Kylie, her company, and other publications. It is the official tour name. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  23:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC) I still oppose, but feel it should be moved to Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  04:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I vote for Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour. I think that it's the real name of the tour. --AmyMirka (talk) 04:14, 29 January 2011 (UTC) (I changed my mind)
 * Comment One leg of the tour is called that. Not all of them have the Les Folies part in it, as I Help has said below me. We need to use a universal name, and this is the name the Facebook page gives. ℥nding · start 05:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment And yet, on the Facebook page, you look to the right and see "Aphrodite: Les Folies" on the poster. And anyway, why name the tour for just one leg both ways? One leg is apparently called "Aphrodite" and another is called "Les Folies". Compromise: we call it "Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour." -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  12:51, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That's exactly the point. The tour has different names, but the Facebook only has one, so that's the one we should use. ℥nding · start 16:59, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "In Europe it is known as the Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour 2011, and in Asia and North America it is known as Aphrodite Live 2011" The facebook page lists it as Aphrodite World Tour, which is common between all names, so therefore, that's what we should be calling it here. ℥nding · start 17:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Support. - the same reason as user JWAD's. --AmyMirka (talk) 04:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Support. They are a group of tours who will be similar in nature and some of them are not addressed as Les Folies at all. I Help, When I Can. [12] 04:33, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Support the move to Aphrodite World Tour (with Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour, Aphrodite Live 2011 mentioned in the opening statement). Its the common name - I wouldn't oppose it to be called simply Aphrodite Tour. The Les Folies name has to go, it only covers one leg of the tour and the common denominator is "Aphrodite".  J W A D  Communicate|Nicely 23:50, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * comment:I just now found these links thought I'd share. Thought it would help make things even clearer. I put them on the discussion section and not in the vote section so that I don't interrupt the proceedure of voting.
 * I have started my post in the discussion section with the exact same sentence. It is the last paragraph of the discussion section.Chrisjcxa (talk) 23:29, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment If the European/Australian legs are vastly different from the Japanese/N. American legs then I feel the articles should be split into two with there appropriate titles. Itsbydesign (talk) 21:57, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well,
 * (To everyone) keep your "comments" back into the "discussion" part and not the "vote" part.
 * Not everything is deserving of it's own article. I think we should leave the split-up option as a last resort. The tours probably won't be that different, but the main point of this discussion... everyone take notice...
 * ALL LEGS OF THE TOUR WILL PROBABLY BE ALIKE; THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE IS THAT NOT ALL LEGS OF THE TOUR ARE ADRESSED BY THE SAME NAME.  Thank You.  I Help, When I Can. [12] 02:58, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Comment Option 2 as stated by I Help When I Can is them most relevant and useful. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 09:54, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, maybe in the long run, that could be a good idea, but for now, we don't really have enough information to be able to separate each leg in a different article. ℥nding · start 14:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that splitting the articles is not currently an issue for discussion and I agree with the move of the main article.Chrisjcxa (talk) 15:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

To sum things up to this point, we have 2 (two) white votes (commented on things relevant or irrelevant to the vote but didn't really vote).

6 (six) people support that the article has to be renamed and moved. 0 (zero) people disagree with it.

From the said 6 people 5 (five) support move to Aphrodite world tour and 1 (one) supports move to Aphrodite les folies tour.

Correct me if I missed anything.Chrisjcxa (talk) 16:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Names Discussion
The names of the legs as established above are Aphrodite: Les Folies Tour and Aphrodite Live 2011. Please, don't keep changing the latter to Aphrodite Live, because it is wrong, as established, and as proven by the sources provided, where you will only see it named as suggested. The only thing bothering me is that the UK tour is currently being promoted as Aphrodite: Les Folies UK tour, and I cannot tell if they use it as an official name or just to clarify that they are talking about UK. I don't see any other question being raised about names that hasn't been covered above. Thank you. Chrisjcxa (talk) 10:09, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Establishment of the Aphrodite Live 2011 name. Announcement in the official Les Folies Facebook page.Chrisjcxa (talk) 09:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Setlist
The setlists for Europe and North Ameruca are the same, shouldn't we just list one under the Eurpoe and North America heading? If sufficient changes are done throughout the rest of the dates then we should duplicate the setlist, if just one or two songs as omitted we should simply mention it on the actual setlist. The Japan setlist did suffer several changes so it is correct to list it as a separate setlist. afr.mx 08:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Uprising?
Can't Get You Out Of My Head contains elements from Muse's song "Uprising", doesn't it? I'm sure the guitar riff near the ending of CGYOOMH is from Uprising. 187.37.179.90 (talk) 08:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Afrmx (talk • contribs)

Incorrect song title
Although it seems to have caused some controversy and edit warring, it is time to put the matter of the mash-up in the tour setlist at rest. The mash-up is officially titled "Love At First Sight/Can't Beat The Feeling", as can be seen in the official tour programme and on the official tour DVD; evidence can be seen here http://kylieminogueaphrodite.yolasite.com/lafscbtf.php However, some argue, that no sources would indicate this and therefore deem it incorrect. However, as the programme and DVD do not list the mash-up as "Love At First Sight", containing elements of CBTF, I believe it should not be cited in this manner. The official title, "Love At First Sight/Can't Beat The Feeling", should be used. Besides, the song also contains a large amount of Can't Beat The Feeling. Therefore I am changing it and whoever disagrees can say so below. In My Arms (talk) 03:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Your edits have been reverted due to being a sockpuppet of User:Mirrored Love. Case reported. Itsbydesign (talk) 13:14, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I am not a sock puppet of a blocked account thank you very much. If you don't like my edits please discuss them here instead of blatantly reverting them. In My Arms (talk) 21:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

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I'm back after a long time. This page was moved in 2013 by. Considering all the turmoil and discussions there was the first time around, why did you decide to go against consensus? Not being defensive, genuinely asking.  I  help dןǝɥ   I  09:09, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

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