Talk:Apollinaris of Laodicea

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For an article of Top Importance, it's surprising to see that this article has barely been touched. The text is poorly linked to the sources. I'm going to do some text mining and try to match up text and sources. Ignocrates (talk) 01:31, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Apollinaris (died 390), bishop of Laodicea, denied the proper humanity of Christ, by affirming that the Logos in Him took the place of the human soul, as well as by maintaining that His body was not composed of ordinary flesh and blood.

This is the original stub. The reference is The Nuttall Encyclopaedia, p.27:. The 1907 encyclopedia is available on Wikisource: The Nuttall Encyclopaedia. Ignocrates (talk) 01:50, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Apollinaris, "the Younger" (died 390), was a bishop of Laodicea in Syria. He collaborated with his father Apollinaris the Elder in reproducing the Old Testament in the form of Homeric and Pindaric poetry, and the New after the fashion of Platonic dialogues, when the emperor Julian had forbidden Christians to teach the classics. He is best known, however, as a warm opponent of Arianism, whose eagerness to emphasize the deity of Christ and the unity of His person led him so far as a denial of the existence of a rational human soul (νους) in Christ's human nature, this being replaced in Him by a prevailing principle of holiness, to wit the Logos, so that His body was a glorified and spiritualized form of humanity. Over against this the orthodox or Catholic position maintained that Christ assumed human nature in its entirety including the [Greek: nous], for only so could He be example and redeemer. It was held that the system of Apollinaris was really Docetism (see Docetae), that if the Godhood without constraint swayed the manhood there was no possibility of real human probation or of real advance in Christ's manhood. The position was accordingly condemned by several synods and in particular by that of Constantinople (AD 381). This did not prevent its having a considerable following, which after Apollinaris's death divided into two sects, the more conservative taking its name (Vitalians) from Vitalis, bishop of Antioch, the other (Polemeans) adding the further assertion that the two natures were so blended that even the body of Christ was a fit object of adoration. The whole Apollinarian type of thought persisted in what was later the Monophysite school.


 * Although Apollinaris was a prolific writer, scarcely anything has survived under his own name. But a number of his writings are concealed under the names of orthodox Fathers, e.g. ἡ κατα μερος πιστις, long ascribed to Gregory Thaumaturgus. These have been collected and edited by Hans Lietzmann.


 * He must be distinguished from the bishop of Hierapolis who bore the same name, and who wrote one of the early Christian "Apologies" (c. 170).
 * References

A. Harnack, History of Dogma, vols. iii. and iv. passim R. L. Ottley, The Doctrine of the Incarnation G. Voisin, L'Apollinarisme (Louvain, 1901) H. Lietzmann, Apollinaris von Laodicea und seine Schule (Tubingen, 1905). This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Chisholm, Hugh, ed. (1911). Encyclopædia Britannica (11th ed.). Cambridge University Press.

The original article is completely based on the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica. The first four references are contained within the encyclopedic article. That explains why the text is poorly matched to the sources. The 1911 article is available on Wikisource: 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica/ Apollinaris. Ignocrates (talk) 02:05, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

The fourth and sixth paragraphs are unsourced content diff. This is substantially the entire article except for some minor copy-editing and linking. I have to see if Britannica can pass muster as a source by GA criteria. I think it's unlikely because their encyclopedic articles don't have authors. Ignocrates (talk) 05:24, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Brown, Harold O. J. Heresies: The Image of Christ in the Mirror of Heresy and Orthodoxy from the Apostles to the Present. Garden City, N.Y.: Doubleday, 1984. ISBN 9780385153386
 * Christie-Murray, David. A History of Heresy. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1989. ISBN 9780192852106
 * Ehrman, Bart D. The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture: The Effect of Early Christological Controversies on the Text of the New Testament. New York: Oxford University Press, 1993. ISBN 9780195080780
 * Ferguson, Everett. Orthodoxy, Heresy, and Schism in Early Christianity. Studies in early Christianity, v. 4. New York: Garland, 1993. ISBN 9780815310648
 * Norris, Richard A. The Christological Controversy. Sources of early Christian thought. Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1980. ISBN 9780800614119
 * Schwarz, Hans. Christology. Grand Rapids, Mich: W.B. Eerdmans Pub, 1998. ISBN 9780802844637

Meanwhile, here are some reliable secondary sources I pulled from the New World Encyclopedia online. Ignocrates (talk) 05:31, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

I did some checking, and my take on this article is that it violates WP:NOR in its present form for two reasons: 1) the article content is not directly supported by the references (it's impossible to match up the content to the references), and 2) 90% of the article is directly plagiarized from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica and the rest is unsourced content. Therefore, all of this content needs to go, or else it needs to be substantially reworded with new summary statements that are directly supported by new reliable secondary sources. That being the case, along with a general lack of interest in improving the article, I'm going to set up a temporary wip article in my user space and plug away at creating a better article as time permits. Ignocrates (talk) 17:01, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

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