Talk:Apollo 17

What did they do between EVAs
What they did between EVA's? how they serviced and maintained their suits? How did they get in and out of them? Batteries - Fluids - etc - this mission critical process is not even touched upon - surely it is needed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Classicality (talk • contribs) 18:21, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That would be the same for Apollo 11,12,14,15, and 16 - Why repeat here ? - Rod57 (talk) 10:54, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Max distance from LM: verifiable(?) all-time EVA record?
When the astronauts arrived at Nansen crater near the South Massif on the second moonwalk, they were 7.6 km away from their spacecraft, the LM. I think that this is an all-time EVA record (max distance of astronauts ever away from their spacecraft during an EVA of any kind, "spacewalk or moonwalk"), but I've stopped just-short of introducing this claim (instead making closely related verifiable ones) in a recent edit to the article, because I have a concern about verifiability. I think that IF this claim is true, AND IF a good source or collection of sources exist which establish its truth, THEN it ought to be included in the article as a notable record. The trouble is sourcing so as not to introduce OR (original research) into the article, especially since a Good Article (GA) assessment (above on this page) had just one "ding" in criteria: presence/absence of OR was "unassessed"—the point being that we extra super don't want any OR on this particular article.

Can (and should) the above claim be introduced into the article? I think it can (and should), IF AND ONLY IF an appropriate collection of sources exists, and this is where I ask opinions/a bit of help. The logic would go something like this:

-Almost all EVAs have been tethered, with the astronauts traveling negligible distances away from their spacecraft during EVA.

-Apart from these, only(?) seven EVAs (the 1984 MMU/1994 SAFER tests) were untethered, with the astronauts only traveling (insert max distances, a rather important detail but I don't imagine they were ever more than a few hundred meters/feet out)

-This leaves the Apollo moonwalk set of EVAs, and since Apollo 17 EVA-2 is the extreme in this set, it's the all-time distance record. The closest source I've been able to find to the above point is this, but it doesn't actually establish the specific claim (and we can do better than a listicle source besides).

Is the above claim capable of verifiability for inclusion in the article? I think it is, but I don't quite see the path. Am I over-thinking this? MinnesotanUser (talk) 06:10, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ EVA-2, station 2 is the all-time EVA distance-from-spacecraft record.  I have changed the language in the article to underline this notable fact.  A recent book on the lunar rover itself uses poetic (but credible) language to claim that the station was the greatest PLANETARY distance, stopping short of all-time language.  However, we can add a context note and explicit language in a Chaikin article that no other EVA comes close- the orbital record was Bruce McCandless' initial MMU test.  Putting these two reliable sources together satisfactorily establishes the claim.MinnesotanUser (talk) 03:50, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Is this correct?
Footnotes 16 & 17, same url.--Jarodalien (talk) 16:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, all the press releases for 1971 are the same URL.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:38, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Chapter "Lunar landing": "Approximately ten later, the LM pitched over", minutes?--Jarodalien (talk) 13:13, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:48, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Post Mission information
, How is what I wrote not fully sourced? I got it from nasa.gov and cited my source. Do I need to cite the source after every sentence?

Specifically, my sentences and where I got that information:


 * Following their mission, the crew underwent a domestic and international tour. The article says "Apollo 17 astronauts Cernan, Evans, and Schmitt began their 11-week United States tour with an appearance at the Jan. 14, 1973, Super Bowl VII football game in the Los Angeles Coliseum."


 * The crew visited 53 cities in 29 states over 11 weeks... "Following their highly successful mission, the last Apollo Moon landing flight, Apollo 17 astronauts Eugene A. Cernan, Ronald E. Evans ,and Harrison H. “Jack” Schmitt, the first trained geologist to explore the Moon, embarked on a highly ambitious domestic and international tour. In the United States, they visited 53 cities in 29 states in 11 weeks."


 * ...starting with reciting the Pledge of Allegiance at Super Bowl VII. "Apollo 17 astronauts Cernan, Evans, and Schmitt began their 11-week United States tour with an appearance at the Jan. 14, 1973, Super Bowl VII football game in the Los Angeles Coliseum. During the pregame show, the Apollo 17 Command Module (CM) America made its first public appearance since splashdown as it entered the stadium on a flatbed truck. Cernan, Evans, and Schmitt followed the spacecraft into the stadium in a convertible, wearing red, white, and blue blazers, respectively. After the playing of the national anthem, they led the crowd in reciting the Pledge of Allegiance."


 * Internationally, the crew visited 11 countries in Africa, Asia, and the Pacific over a couple months. "The month-long Presidential goodwill tour in the spirit of Apollo took them to 11 countries in Africa, Asia, and the Pacific."

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/50-years-ago-apollo-17-post-mission-activities/ Esb5415 (talk) 14:30, 30 March 2023 (UTC)


 * All that is with regards to your revert on these edits:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Apollo_17&oldid=1147080698
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Apollo_17&oldid=1147080811
 * Esb5415 (talk) 14:41, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * We have not generally covered such things in the mission articles. These were par for the course after every Apollo mission, excepting possibly Apollo 9. In fact, Apollo 17's was probably the least extensive of any of them. It does not seem to me that we need the information in this article.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:14, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * First, please say that rather than saying my contributions were not fully sourced.
 * I don't really understand your arguments against inclusion. Just because other articles do/don't do things, doesn't mean this article cant. WP:OTHERCONTENT
 * Is there a consensus you can point me to about excluding post-mission activities?  Esb5415 (talk) 15:43, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It's your job to build consensus for additions. And you did add unsourced material since you ended a paragraph without a citation. Wehwalt (talk) 17:51, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to build a consensus with you! I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a previous discussion.
 * Per WP:CON, it appears the compromise on my edit is to cite the (same) source after every sentence, rather than just the first one? Since that was the reason for the revert in the first place.
 * However, you aren't that big of a fan of the information I want to add anyway. So before I go ahead and add it with your suggestion, can you explain some more why you think that information shouldn't be in the article? I feel this information should be in the article (as well as the same information in other Apollo articles) because it is important to talk about the post-mission activities, just as articles talk about pre-mission activities. It is factual, verifiable, encyclopedic information. In my view, leaving it out violates WP:NPOV because we are introducing bias into the article, saying post-mission information is just not as important.
 * Esb5415 (talk) 19:30, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It's considered sufficient if you cite at the end of a paragraph. I think I've had my say for now. Maybe if you condensed it to one to two sentences, we could find a compromise? Wehwalt (talk) 19:36, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2023
change " was the final mission of NASA's Apollo program," to " was the final lunar mission of NASA's Apollo program,"

as there were additional missions that were part of the "Apollo Program" such as Apollo-Soyuz that came after Apollo 17. Wilnerboy (talk) 23:57, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Not done Neither Skylab nor Apollo-Soyuz were part of the Apollo program, though they did use leftover Apollo equipment.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:12, 14 August 2023 (UTC)