Talk:Appa's Lost Days

Summary
''While this is very true, I'd prefer to have an offical summary. Where in Nick.com are you getting that summary?''

I didn't get the summary, it was already there. You can currently find it, however, but going to the source page quoted in the article, that is: http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_shows/tv_schedule2k3.jhtml?_requestid=837891

It will come up with a schedule (and some annoying constant noise in the background). Click on "View by Week" in the upper-left corner, then click the "Next Week" tab in the upper-right corner. Scroll down until you can see "Avatar" on 8:00 ET/PT on Friday (not the 6:30 episode). Click "More Information" and then "Episode Description." And there you have it:

In this special episode, we go back in time to the moment Appa was stolen, and find out exactly what happened to him, and where's he's been all this time - and where he is now!

Sounds made up, but it's there on Nick. --DMAJohnson 19:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow, I never knew you could view by week on the Nick.com schedule, XD. That's a really bad description, but so is the one the TV schedule's are providing now. I'll come up with a better one if it's ok with everyone, I won't have a source though other than somewhere in Nick.com. Dylan0513 20:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but you can only view a week in advance, unfortunantly. As for a description, I'd just wait a couple of weeks for the actual episode to air since anything you do now is going to get wiped then anyway once we've seen the whole thing. --DMAJohnson 03:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I have to ask. WHat happend to all the info has to be varrified? I even posted the sources. So DONT just go and delet stuff. Oh, and the info has to be accurate, not thought up off a current description. SO DONT DELET IT THIS TIME!! ~Sayasha 11:12 pm
 * Oh, and also, people that post her a lot, know about the Nick.com TV schedule thing. Dont treat us like we are 3 years old, and cant surf the web on our own. ~Sayasha
 * My appologies, however I wasn't posting the instructions for you, I was posting them for Dylan0513. --DMAJohnson 14:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

The link tells me Cave of Two lovers. You also can't just rip straight from Nick.com, it's plagarism even if it is a summary. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 07:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * H2P- I didn't get it either at first but you can actually change the week at the Nick.com schedule. Wheather we want to use that summary or not is a different question. Dylan0513 12:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Please stop removing the link to the Nick.com calender. I explain in my first comment how to view the description: You have to click the NEXT WEEK tab. Furthermore, it's not plagerism because we're not claiming it as our own. It's perfectly fair use. If you're uncomfortable with it, then just rephrase it, but leave the link. --DMAJohnson 14:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

You can't link to a dead location. If you have to search for the information it's not a sourceable link. I would much rather we simply rewrite our own summary and not bother with a link but provide Nick.com as our source at the bottom of the page. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 19:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Considering it will be replaced in a couple of weeks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. --DMAJohnson 19:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
I took out the line "* In this episode, Ty Lee reacts strangely to Azula's comment to the warriors of Kyoshi about being fangirls. This hints that she could have a thing for Aang." in the Trivia section. The reason that Ty Lee says, "Fangirls, I get it!" is because The Warriors of Kiyoshi use fans as weapons, and it took her a minute to get the joke. --Ryuko 20:17 13 October 2006

Like, DUH! who wrote the original version, anyway? Stretchyrubberbands 14:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

A Synopsis.
I am going to write a complete synopsis, and then you all can edit it how you feel, as is the True Spirit of Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aang-kai (talk).

Female Airbender
What female airbender? When in the episode did this happen?--Salvax (Speak on me--02:30, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * She's the one who introduces Aang and the other boys to the Flying Bison they're about to partner with. The face, voice, plus the fact that the person in question has hair... shall we say, strongly suggest a woman. SAMAS 05:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That, and the fact that she appeared to live at the Eastern Air Temple, which we already know to be run and populated by women.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 16:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Now I remeber. Thanks!--Salvax (Speak on me--18:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Here is an image that Aang-kai (Talk)sent me: Female Airbenders. It refreshed my memory. Salvax (Speak on me--20:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I rewatched the scene (frame by frame) from "The Avatar State". Now that we know what we're looking for, it's fairly obvious that the female Air Nomad Avatar briefly shown has both the tattoo and enough room to have a tattoo. As such I am killing the note that says: "However, the other female airbender, seen in "The Avatar State", had a full head of hair, implying that this may not be a custom practiced by all." 202.72.187.152 09:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hakoda
Image:Hakoda.jpg‎ This is an image of Hakoda. Debate if the man in Appa's Lost Days is Hakoda. The man on the boat looks to skinny to be him but feel free to discuss here. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 14:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Image:Bato.jpg And here is an image of Bato. They look alike, dont they.

So, which person did we see?--Salvax (Speak on me--19:04, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's just the problem: we don't know, and can't say in articles that we do.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The man on the boat has a goatee and the hair style on that Hakoda is seen wearing on "Bato of the Water Tribe

On Appa's Lost Days, here is a screenshot from AvatarSpirit.net []

I would say that we can put in the trivia section that it is speculated who the guy is, as we do not know for sure.--Aang-kai

I'm positive that it's Hakoda. I have the episodes on iTunes and when I saw him I went back to Hakoda in Sokka's memory and the two are identical. I'm positive that this is supposed to be Hakoda's first encounter with anything to do with the Avatar.--TPR

YOU being positive means nothing I'm sorry to say. Unless we know for sure who it is, we can't put that it's Hakoda. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 05:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you got offended by my choice of words. All I was doing was expressing my certainty, I was not trying to be a jerk and I apologize if that's how I came across. When you look at the two characters though, they are identical apart from their apparel. The change in clothes is to be expected though with respect to location on the world. However, if this is still not enough evidence for certainty, then I would have to agree with Aang-Kai and say that putting it into the trivia section would at least be acceptable. Again, I'm sorry if I came across as offensive.--TPR


 * His nose definitely looks the same, his cheeks and eyebrows look different, but not significantly so. Unfortunately he looks so much like Bato. Someone should turn the constrast up on that screenshot from avatarspirit.net 202.72.187.152 16:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I think one of the things that is adding to the difficulty in being able to completely tell is that the art style changed in season two. I don't know if anybody noticed, but their bodies come to sharper angles and their heads are drawn differnetly. Especially Sokka's. Did anybody notice that? Personally I liked the old art style better. But that's just my opinion.--TriPredRavage 22:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the slight change in apperance is to depict that they're growing up.

Now that I think about it, I think that may have been Chief Arnook, rather than Hakoda. I just saw the NWT episodes again, and noticed the resemblance. But, since I don't have this episode to double-check, could someone confirm that? SAMAS 19:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It is in fact Hakoda. He is wearing the same jewelery as he wears in The Guru. Aang-kai 23:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Eastern Air Temple
"he stumbles upon an old man who he thinks is Aang" I don't think so. I think Appa thinks that the Guru is just a fully grown Airbender monk on first sight. Agree/disagree? 202.72.187.152 12:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd accept that. It seems to be typically that when an animal thinks some one is another person, there is a momentary flash where the animal sees the person they want to see. Appa didn't have one of those flashes, so I'd have to say that I'd agree with you.--TPR

Kyoshi Warriors
I removed a note that somebody put up: "As one of the Kyoshi warriors comments that Suki was with the Avatar a few days ago this implies either after Suki left Aang's group it took they several days to reach Ba Sing Se, or Azula met Suki after the drill failed to penetrate the wall of Ba Sing Se." I removed it because there is a typo that makes the message very unclear and I disagree with it personally. I don't think it so much took the Avatar a few days to get to Ba Sing Se as it took Suki a few days to get back. (how did she get through Serpent's Pass with out a water bender?) Anyway, if anybody has any thoughts, please by all means.--TPR


 * Suki would definitely have taken the boat back. I'm assuming the boat is faster than walking, but it seems fairly obvious that Azula's appearance was after The Drill. 202.72.187.152 14:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Time Disputes
When exactly was Appa stolen? It has to be before Tales of Ba Sing Se, because in that episode we see the footprint of Appa's, which is made in this episode. So that would mean it is before Tales of Ba Sing Se.

However, it get's more confusing. Long feng has captured Appa correct. But, in City of Walls and Secrets, he is implying he already has Appa, as he commented how that if Aang was expelled fromt he city, he woukd never find Appa. Was this just an empty threat? It doesn't seem like it to me. So that would mean that Appa is captured before Tales of Ba Sing Se and City of Walls and Secrets.

But, more questions are raised, as we clearly see Aang sleeping in Ba Sing Se on some sort of rug or something near the end of the episode. This shows he is in Ba Sing Se. This also means that Appa was caught by Long Feng while Aang was in Ba Sing Se, but it would have to be before his meeting with Long Feng.

So, my question is, did Tales of Ba Sing Se take place in between City of Walls and Secrets? It seems like the only logical explanation...is this correct?

On a side note; Azula made an appearence in this episode, which marks her most current appearence. This would have to take place after the Drill, because we know that days did not take place between the end of Serpents Pass and the beginning of the Drill, unless the Drill took days to cover that small difference, which is unlikey, based off its speed in the episode the Drill.

Since Appa was with Azula at the time, that shows that Aang has been in Ba Sing Se for a few days. What could he be doing? The explanation that I found was Tales took place in between City of Walls and Secrets. So, my explanation is

Aang gang arrives in Ba Sing Se

After finding out it will take a month to find the Earth King, days pass, with Tales of Ba Sing Se occuring

However, before Momo's Tale, Appa arrives in the city, and is captured by Long Feng

Back to City of Walls and Secrets, where the rest of the episode resumes.

Is this correct? (11987 13:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC))

Yeah, makes sense. Stretchyrubberbands 14:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Disagree. "But, in City of Walls and Secrets, he is implying he already has Appa, as he commented how that if Aang was expelled fromt he city, he woukd never find Appa. Was this just an empty threat?" Long Feng is implying that it will be difficult for Aang to find his bison if he is expelled from the city. There is no error.
 * Also, there can easily be a undocumented (but small) number of days between "City of Walls and Secrets" and "The Tales of Ba Sing Se". It's easiest to assume that Appa was caught either during "The Tales of Ba Sing Se" or the night before. The two epsiodes ARE in chronological order. Don't over-analyse it. 202.72.187.152 16:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, ok. (11987 22:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC))

I don't know who put that silly trivia point in after this dicussion, when it seems backwards. The most likely order is:
 * Aang tells Long Feng that he will tell the people of Ba Sing Se about the war
 * Long Feng threatens Aang with expulsion from the city. Aang's words have given Long Feng motive to capture Appa at this point.
 * Appa arrives after the Earth King's party (late, or early morning). Long Feng captures him.
 * The events of "The Tales of Ba Sing Se" occur.

Okay, it may be trivial but the Trivia point says that Appa was captured one day earlier than Long Feng has motive to. 202.72.187.152 14:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * There are some confusion but this is what really happened. The timeline is as followed:

The gang arrive at Ba Sing Se train station. Aang blows his whistle for Appa. Then Joo Dee appears and give them a tour. In effort to find Appa's whereabout, the gang asks too much questions like "where the black market?" and "how come no one knows about the war?" All this is reported by Joo Dee to Long Feng who now realizes how thoublesome the gang can be. He is afraided that Aang's position as Avatar might have a greater influence than he does. Concidentally, that night as the gang sleeps, Appa just happens to arrive. What better way to control the most powerful but to take away what he values the most? That what Long Feng did. He took Appa away. The next morning, Katara reads the paper finds out about the party. The gang go there and Long Feng spies on them. Seeing how the crowd is wooed by Aang, he decided that he should blackmail him and says if the gang persist on about the war, Aang will not be united with Appa. Then, "The Tales of Ba Sing Se" happens and the gang finds way to spend time in the city. Momo is led to the footprint. It is still there since it did not rain until the end of the episode. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.65.167.80 (talk) 14:54, October 17, 2006 (UTC).
 * Please don't leave unsigned comments. (rapier wit) 202.72.187.152 06:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Guys exactly what purpose would knowing the timeline have? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 07:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It would stop one of the edit wars going on regarding this episode? :D 202.72.187.152 07:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

That theory makes perfect sense execpt for one thing, AZULA. When Appa was sleeping just one night before The Kyoshi Warriors find him, he had a dream about Aang and then we see Aang camping out on the Serpants Pass while Aang has the same dream. The next day The Kyoshi Warriors find him and Azula attacks them and then Azula beats them and takes them prisoner and takes there cloths. But Azula is also seen on the Drill the next day so it was like she was in two places at once. One theory could be that between Aangs dream and them reaching the Drill, several days have passed which allowed time for Azula appearence in "Appa's Lost Days" but if that is true then Azula would not need the Drill because she could have snuck in Ba Sing Se as a Kyoshi Warrior like she did in "The Earth King", so this is a big plothole. Trueblue584 (talk) 19:11, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually there is another thing to make it more confusing, The Kyoshi Warriors. We know Suki left the Day after Appa and Aang had that dream. But it is shown that Suki found him the day after. Suki left the same day the group beat the Drill and when they find Appa one the Warriors mentions that Suki saw the Avatar A FEW WEEKS AGO! Which means Azula's appearences are in chronological order. But clearly "The City of Walls and Secrets" did not take place a few weeks after the Drill. Not even including Appa's trip to the Eastern Air Temple. The theory of weeks passing between Appa's dream and him being found by the Kyoshi Warriors would not make sence. What would the gang be doing between those times because Appa was stolen during "The City of Walls and Secrets". So in conclusion, their is no way to solve this, and it was simply a mistake the develpers did not see. Trueblue584 (talk) 20:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Or, the gaang spent those weeks waiting for a meeting with the earth king. and thats why so much time passed.  Rau   J16  20:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Remove the tag?
Anyone think the artice doesn't need the confusingcleanup tag anymore? The article looks pretty good and at least as good as the other episode articles. -Dylan0513 19:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree --michael180 21:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree Fowl2 10:29, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Not on edit page
I've noticed a couple of things on the page that were wrong, but when I go to edit, it's not on the edit page. Such as shirshu being spelled sheershu, and the mention of Sokka and Katara's father not even being there(plus it saying Sokka Sokka and Katara Katara). So what's up?- --Editmonkey 05:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the spelling thing but the thing about Katara and Sokka's father is all speculation and not proven at all.

-Dylan0513 20:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Hakoda Confirmed
I am settling this issue once and for all. The man we see Appa fly over is definatly Hakoda.

Here is an image of him in the the flyby in Appa's Lost Days: [].

And here are two images of him in The Guru: [], [].

You'll notice that he has: Now that that's settled, I shall change the page to reflect this. 72.234.46.143 08:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The same two Braids on the right side of his face.
 * The same Necklace.
 * The same Armband on his left arm with the same carving underneath.
 * The same Tunic.
 * The same Gauntlet on his right hand.
 * The same Bracelet on his left wrist.
 * The same three Fur tails hanging from a cord about his waist.

Okay, you want to discuss, then let us discuss. I am unsure of how you will refute my evidence, but I am willing to listen. 72.234.46.143 13:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not even going to look at it. No matter how much you argue, this is still speculation. We didn't have a good enough view of whoever it was. It was decided a while ago that it is speculation that that is Hakoda. -Dylan0513 14:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, you won't look at it, just be quiet then. Looking at these shots, its honestly pretty obvious they're the same person. Furthermore, since the only objection I'm seeing is from somebody who has already said he won't discuss it, I'm editing the article.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope. We've reached consensus after the episode came out. It takes more than two people to overturn a previous consensus. -Dylan0513 20:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not when you refuse to even discuss the issue, it doesn't.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I refuse to discuss the issue because it's obviously Hakoda. I thought it was since the episode came out. It's one of those things you can't put on Wikipedia though. Or at least, that was what we established last time. Again, you need more people for it to be put in the article. -Dylan0513 21:02, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but you're wrong. As of now, no is opposing it: you can't oppose something you won't discuss.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The issue is whether is can be put on Wikipedia or not, not whether it is him or not. Me, not caring about the policies, doesn't have an answer. Let's discuss, shall we? -Dylan0513 21:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course it can. There's nothing speculative about seeing that two pictures are of the same person. I can't think of a single reason it couldn't.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Because it is not clear enough. You must zoom into the shot to see any clearer. I think that in itself makes it so we can't put it here. -Dylan0513 21:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * But why? The above shots are all from the show, and they make it blatantly obvious. Sure just watching the show it would go by too fast, but with these shots...a blind man could see it.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * (unindent)That's not true, xD. But yeah, I'm fighting a dead argument. I'm just being stubborn becuase of the fact that we don't put up a lot of other stuff. Whatever, we'll keep it. -Dylan0513 21:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)