Talk:Appalachian State University/Archive 1

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Did a lot of organization, text, and link editing. Definitely looking better and better.

Reinserted some information about Appalachian state being the first North Carolina team to bring home a NCAA Football Championship. Elon may have won championships in 1980 and 1981, but it was during their NAIA years. Geologik 06:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Speculation exists that this university will change its name to 'University of Boone' (UNCB), can this be added to the main article?

The line about how the "Hot Hot Hot" video was a joke intended to poke fun at the food being too spicy at an event is not confirmed on the source that is listed. I've never heard this as the reason the video was created. Does anyone have an actual source for this? -- Punchinelli 14:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The student life section is messy. The part about the High Country Sports Car Club seems to be more of an advertisement for that group. From my experience it wasn't anything worth noting.Mmmaaajjj2 (talk) 22:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Presidents and Chancellors
Added this sections under Organizations. However, I may have dates wrong and possibly missed interims. Information is kind of hard to come by..hopefully there is someone else out there that can expand or correct what I've added. Geologik 02:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Very good, I just wrapped up my research on this. I have a 1986 Alumni directory on hand and verified the list as far as it took me. Harvey Durham was the second interim, due to medical conditions of the acting chancellor again. Dr. Cratis D. Williams is credited as "Acting Chancellor" in 1975 according to the Directory. I'm imagining a temporary leave of Wey? I'm placing it as this reads, and citing.Dankstick 19:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Notable Alumni Section
Most college and university articles at Wikipedia list their alumni without restricting the list to just those who have graduated. It would not be in their best interest eliminate non-graduates from the list of notable alumni because these colleges and universities wish to associate themselves with successful people. A simple search through Wikipedia reveals that there are some college and university articles who have made the distinction between graduates and non-graduates, and have made other categorizations of alumni as well....sports, arts, politics, etc. I trust that my constructive comments in this regard will not be again deleted from this Talk page by Geologik, as I see such deletions as vandalism and shall report it as such.Wikibones 21:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Geologik has deemed that the only Alumni to be listed in the Notable Alumni section can be graduates. He has therefore deleted valid alumnus entries at will. Read on please...


 * That is correct. In the context of the page as an encyclopedic article, alumni are graduates of the university. Please resepect that. Geologik 19:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Please leave discussion on my talk page. Thank you. Following general guidelines from other college and university pages located on Wikipedia, they alumni list is reserved for those that have graduated from the university. Once again, please respect that. Geologik 19:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Alumni are those that graduated from an institution. Why doesn't it say alumni anymore and just "notable people", why not Notable Students? I found that other university pages have an alumni section. Vandalism, lol Dankstick 03:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The thread on this is getting worn out, but in fair response to the above, the article should indeed have a notable alumni section, however the definition of "alumni" by any source (dictionary.com, Webster's New World Dictionary, and ASU's own Alumni Association) is anyone who graduated or attended the school. If my previous posts about the definition of "alumni" had not been deleted from this discussion, I would have never used the word "vandalism". I posted those definitions for the purpose of discussion and when those definitions were deleted, this discussion was purposely impeded. Since then, Geologik and I have come to some positive and common ground on this it seems, as he has offered to change the heading and I have suggested and pointed out that some schools clarify the heading. Anyone who attended or graduated from ASU is "alumni" by even the school's own definition. Mr. Wooten has passed on, so it really doesn't matter to him, and regrettably after speaking with Mr. Hill this morning (just after my last two edits to the listing), he is so bothered that he has become the subject of this debate that he has asked me to respectfully remove him from the list (though someone other than myself will probably put him on the list at some point because of his ongoing ties with ASU). I will leave the choice of whether the now deceased Gene Wooten (he was Kenneth Wooten at ASU) be removed or not. In closing, I have said all along that these people are alumni of ASU, and not only that, they are people who have gone on and spoken often of their ASU years being formative in their careers (as evidenced by the ASU Newspaper article on Mr. Hill). The focus on whether an alumni graduated or not is beside the point. Neither of these men are seeking status by being on the list. Having on them on the list is good for the article. I think you will agree, that this section of the article really needs some content when compared to other schools. I thin you should look at the Notable Alumni lists for Dartmouth, Harvard, West Point, Smith College, Holy Cross, Rhode Island, USAF, Bowdoin. All of these schools either make a distinction between graduates and non-graduates, or list them all together, but in each case respectfully call them all "alumni". Sorry to have troubled you.Wikibones 13:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

That is an interesting bit of trivia that an alumni not necessarily mean someone that had graduated. wikibones is right in the definition it seems. Takes a lot away from the prestige of being an alum. o well. In light of the definition, I move to place those good folks on the list. Dankstick 02:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Does this list needs some upkeep? I don't want to start nuking people i feel aren't important. NFL players, well known authors ok, but some of these i feel are too obscure for encyclopedic note.

Agreed, I think the list can be slimmed down a bit. Especially when stuff like the ASU student - almost mayor stuff is making it in.

Are there any guidelines out there?? Dankstick 03:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Club Sports
I really don't think that club sports have a place in this article. Club sports are out of article scope, asu's are not noteworthy, "nationally recognized" "dominated" do not add to article and don't tell the reader anything. Sounds like salesman dribble. Dankstick 13:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I go around checking other university pages for ideas and kind of added information about club sports back into the article. The cycling team is actually really good and has gathered some acclaim (I've read a few articles)..the rugby teams also does quite well and they host Rucktoberfest every year to decent sized crowds. I had no idea that ASU fielded a hockey team, yet they had a winning record competing out of Greensboro. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Geologik 07:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I think you've done a great job! Dankstick 13:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

How and where would I insert this?
One thing I noticed about Appalachian State from pictures and video is an unofficial emphasis on more traditional styles of dress than in most universities. Jeans seem to be uncommon here, especially among women. Men seem to often wear slacks or khakis and women usually wear long skirts. There isn't a section that I can find to insert this, so that makes me wonder, is the information useful? If so, where would I insert it and how would I go about it without it being construed as Vandalism? MVillani1985 19:18, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Information like that would have to be properly sourced. If it's unofficial, you'll need to find some source (newspapers, student paper, magazine articles, etc.) that discusses it. If it's something only you have noticed, that falls under the scope of original research which is disallowed under WP:NOR. Hope this helps! Snowfire51 19:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That does help somewhat, but I was wondering if something like YouTube videos could be a good source. Roughly 50%-75% of the individuals I've seen in videos are "traditionally college dressed", vs the roughly 10% in a typical college. I'm guessing YouTube observations would be original research unless it's documented directly in a YouTube video. MVillani1985 01:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * To quickly answer your question, read this Reliable_sources/Examples. It is a neat observation, but it isn't remarkable and not worthy of encyclopedic note from my point of view. Perhaps there is research correlating the prestige of a school with the student dress? Community College students wear Wal-Mart brands whereas private universities wear Polo? Speaking as someone that both went to school there and works in Boone, jeans are very common. You may find more slacks and skirts around the College of Business, but that is a requirement for some presentations and activities. Read WP:NOR or Verifiability for what to look for when choosing your source. Dankstick 12:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Where does this observation come from? Just curious. As an Alum that is not at al my experience.Mmmaaajjj2 (talk) 22:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I would not post that anywhere, because it's pretty much a load of crap. I am an Alum as well and wore jeans and cords pretty much everyday, with the occasional pajama pants making an appearance. There is a decent sized hippie enrollment, this may explain the long skirts you are referring to. It is also cold during winter, spring and fall, sometimes even in the summer, so unless the picture is in the middle of the day in August, people are going to be a bit more covered-up. App is a very relaxed and eclectic campus. There are many people in fraternities and sororities that take pride in their appearance, but I wasn't one of them and I'm pretty sure they only make up about 10% of the student body, so everyone else is just chilling in jeans and a hoodie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmhasu (talk • contribs) 17:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, if you only go off of official publications, of course students would seem to be taking "pride in their appearance." That would be true at any university, and I don't find that information to be at all applicable. DavidSSabb (talk) 13:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Highest Elevation
Lees-McRae College makes the same claim about being the highest university East of the Mississippi. Looks like it should be removed? --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 18:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This can probably stay in if both pages are distinguished between public (here) and private (Lees-McRae). Edge316007 (talk) 16:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Student Life
Theater Department bit reads like an advertisement. It should be in a different section, maybe an academics section. ThirstyPapist (talk) 13:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Split alumni section.
See WP:SPLITLIST. This list has become long and is also only alphabetically sorted, meaning that athletes, entertainers, businessmen, and politicians are all jumbled in the same list when it would be better for them to be listed separately. However, I see no way to do this while keeping the list in this article. DavidSSabb (talk) 15:54, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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vegan studies
Hey, -- the fact it the article doesn't exist yet doesn't mean a redlink should be removed? valereee (talk) 16:43, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I removed it as I felt that the article was unlikely to exist in the foreseeable future. You'll see that we don't have articles for every conceivable niche field of study. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 17:00, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Article is actually in draft Draft:Vegan_studies ETA: I don't have a major opinion on whether it should be redlinked now, just did it so I wouldn't have to remember to come back later. valereee (talk) 17:44, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Edit Request
Hello! I am an intern with University Communications at Appalachian State University (https://ucomm.appstate.edu/). We have a few edits that we have gathered to suggest for this page. We've gathered these edits to remove/update outdated, irrelevant, and incorrect information. Our suggested edits are below-

'''Replace opening paragraph with this revision: ''' Located in Boone, North Carolina, Appalachian State University /ˌæpəˈlætʃən/ ,[citation: https://ucomm.appstate.edu/](Appalachian, App State, App, or ASU) is one of 17 campuses in the University of North Carolina System. [citation: https://www.northcarolina.edu/]. Appalachian enrolls more than 19,000 students and has a low student-to-faculty ratio [citation:https://www.appstate.edu/about/] It offers more than 150 bachelor’s degrees and 70 graduate programs, including two doctoral programs. [citation: https://www.appstate.edu/academics/all/] The university was founded as a teachers college in 1899 by brothers B.B. and D.D. Dougherty and D.D.’s wife, Lillie Shull Dougherty. The university expanded to include other programs in 1967 and joined the University of North Carolina System in 1971. [citation: https://www.appstate.edu/about/history/]

'''Under History, replace the first paragraph with this: ''' Appalachian State University began in 1899 when a group of citizens in Watauga County, under the leadership of Blanford B. Dougherty and his brother Dauphin D. Dougherty, began a movement to educate teachers in northwestern North Carolina.[citation: https://library.appstate.edu/archives/firsthundredyears.html] Land was donated by Daniel B. Dougherty, father of the leaders in the enterprise, and by J. F. Hardin. On this site a wood frame building, costing $1,000, was erected by contributions from citizens of the town and county.[13] In the fall of 1899, the Dougherty brothers, acting as co-principals, began the school named Watauga Academy. The first year saw 53 students enrolled in three grades.[citation: https://library.appstate.edu/archives/firsthundredyears.html] D.D. Dougherty’s wife, Lillie Shull Dougherty, taught classes and contributed to administrative decisions.

Under History, in the third paragraph remove this sentence: J.D Rankin's still lives on as a part of the campus, as one of the largest buildings is named after the interim-president, needing separate divisions to help new students find their way around the large building.

Under History, in the fifth paragraph, remove this sentence: The Wey center is now the home of the Appalachian State Arts Department and large musical performances/ productions.

'''Under Administration, replace “Library” text with this: ''' Belk Library and Information Commons contributes to the campus missions of learning, scholarship, engagement and effectiveness. The five-story building opened in 2005 and has over a million visitors per year. The library shares its holdings with Western Carolina University and UNC Asheville, and houses more than 670,000 physical books and more than 1.2 million e-books. It features a rich and unique collection, from rare artifacts of Appalachian history to state-of-the-art technology. Special collections include the W.L. Eury Appalachian Collection, Stock Car Racing Collection and a Rare Books and Manuscripts Collection that features works in children's literature, classical music, and British studies with published books that date from the 1500s through the 20th century.

Remove citations 37 and 38, as those sentences have been removed.

Replace the “Colleges” text with this:

Appalachian State offers more than 150 bachelor’s degrees and 70 graduate programs, including two doctoral programs, through its College of Arts and Sciences, College of Fine and Applied Arts, Beaver College of Health Sciences, Reich College of Education, Walker College of Business, Hayes School of Music and Cratis D. Williams Graduate School [10]. It also has an Honors College for students interested in research, cross-disciplinary learning, and preparation for graduate or professional school. University College is the portal to academic success for all undergraduate students as they begin their Appalachian Experience with general education courses, and they benefit from the college’s other student support services and co-curricular programming throughout their time at the university.

Replace the “Off-campus centers” section with this new updated section:

App State Online Recognized as one of the top online education destinations in the country,[citation: https://today.appstate.edu/2019/01/15/best-online-programs?utm_source=enewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NewsDigest] App State Online offers flexible, interactive undergraduate and graduate programs that are regionally accredited and taught by the same faculty who teach on campus. Programs are designed to meet students wherever they are and help them gain the skills needed to change careers, advance in a chosen profession or gain personal insight. App State Online offers three modes of teaching delivery: online, hybrid and classroom-based at three main centers for classes: Appalachian Center at Hickory [citation: https://desites.appstate.edu/ala-partner-sites/13] Appalachian Center at Caldwell [citation: https://desites.appstate.edu/ala-partner-sites/12] Appalachian Center at Burke [citation: https://desites.appstate.edu/ala-partner-sites/11]

Under Academics, replace the “Rankings and Recognition” list and related citations with these updated and time-relevant awards:

U.S. News and World Report's 2020 rankings – [citation: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/appalachian-state-2906/overall-rankings] U.S. News and World Report's “Best Online Programs” – [citation: https://today.appstate.edu/2019/01/15/best-online-programs] Niche’s 2019 Best Colleges in America rankings – [citation: https://www.niche.com/colleges/appalachian-state-university/] The Princeton Review’s “2020 Best Regional Colleges” - [citation: https://www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings/best-regional-colleges] Money Magazine’s “2019-20 Best Colleges Ranking” – [citation: https://money.com/best-colleges/] Kiplinger's "Best College Values" for 2019 – [citation: https://www.kiplinger.com/tool/college/T014-S001-best-college-values-college-finder/index.php#Table] Forbes' “America's Top Colleges 2019” – [citation: https://www.forbes.com/colleges/appalachian-state-university/#2aab34fe4770] VIQTORY (formerly known as Victory Media) Media's Military Friendly Schools® - [citation: https://today.appstate.edu/2019/02/01/military-friendly] SIERRA magazine's "Coolest Schools" for 2018 – [citation: https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/cool-schools-2018/cool-schools-2018-full-ranking] STARS® Gold rating for sustainability achievements – [citation: https://today.appstate.edu/2018/09/14/sustainability-efforts] Second Nature’s national Climate Leadership Award winner – [citation: https://today.appstate.edu/2015/10/08/climate-leadership-award/] The Princeton Review's 2019 “Guide to Green Colleges” – [citation: https://www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings/green-guide] Open Doors 2019 report on the nation's top institutions for the number of students who study abroad – [citation: https://www.iie.org/Research-and-Insights/Open-Doors/About-Open-Doors]

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The Athletic Bands section said that the director was Mr. Donald Peach, I updated it to say Mr. Jason Gardner, who is now the directorSchubertan (talk) 02:24, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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Why so many alternative names?
Is it truly necessary to mention that the university is referred to by “Appalachian, App State, App, or ASU”? It just seems like too many names. In my opinion, including “App State” as the only nickname would be the best choice. (*maybe* ASU as well, but ASU is largely claimed by Arizona State University.) Dcshedrick (talk) 07:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Watauga Residential College into Appalachian State University
The merger proposal: By Wikipedia standards, subject not notable Rogermx (talk) 16:52, 21 May 2021 (UTC) Discussion:
 * Support. I haven't done a thorough WP:BEFORE search, but from a brief read, this doesn't seem like it should stand on its own. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 06:24, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge this article for it makes sense to me, since it was founded at this university.Catfurball (talk) 16:55, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Sheehanpg93 (talk) 21:00, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Sustainable Development
I added a page for ASU's SD program - my apologies to whoever linked to "sustainable development" in a general sense - I thought it made more sense to link to ASU's program. I also added a subsection under "Interdisciplinary Studies" for "Watauga College," a residential college within the university. Theosaslow 21:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)