Talk:Appellation

Appellation
I have some problems with this article's definition and use of the term appellation. The term appellation (a French word) clearly comes from the French AOC system (a fact not mentioned by the article), but this article does not accurately describe the AOC system, which also sets down rules for allowed varities and often vineyard practices and winemaking techniques for each appellation. Also, not all French quality designations are part of the AOC system, case in point being the Bordeaux Wine Official Classification of 1855. Classification in terms of geographical origin "only" (without much more rules than that) is more of a New World phenomenon, but none of these classifications use the term appellation, to the best of my knowledge. Trying to describe the wine classification system of one country in terms of those of another country seems like a source of confusion (not the least because the regional French systems under the AOC umbrella differ quite a lot) and also slightly POV, since one country's wine and system in a sense is given precedence before the other. It would probably be more fruitful to make an article on "Classification systems for wine" or "Protected designations of origin for wine" with the aim of comparing the different systems, rather than describing them in terms of one of the systems. Tomas e 19:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Appellation: Canada: Ontario: Niagara
Although it's been in use for a couple of years, effective in 2009 Ontario's Naigara Peninsula appellation has been broken into specific sub-appellations, e.g Beamsville Bench, Lincoln Lakeshore, etc. More information is available here, the official VQA site for Ontario. Mike Brown - Ontario 15:42, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

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Hungary as world's oldest appellation
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2007/10/07/story27106.asp is one of 100's of sources for the statement. Removing cite tag accordingly. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bundas (talk • contribs) 01:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, I am doing some research on port wine and in the article there (and in the article on Chianti) it says that the first appellation was in fact Chianti in 1716 ... can someone perhaps sort it out? Seascapeza (talk) 08:02, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's all a horrible mess, because people who don't seem to understand the French AOC system have taken a habit of using the word "appellation" to mean just about anything that's used to say where a wine is from. Presumably this language is adopted for marketing purposes rather than for correctness. In my mind it's a fairly meaningless and unencyclopedic use of this term to apply it to other countries and situations several centuries before. What is meant by first is typically geographical demarcations of a winemaking areas, and then that term should be used. Tomas e (talk) 11:42, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Appellation for other foods
The disambiguation page at Appellation_(disambiguation) says that "appellation" is for wine and "appellation of origin" is for products in general, but in actual usage, "appellation" is widely used for many products. This is particularly true in Europe for such products as parmesan cheese and prosciutto. I find this distinction odd at best and generally misleading for people wanting information about appellations. Wakablogger2 (talk) 07:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

United States section
The discussion of Augusta AVA is too long for this article, as it at best should be mentioned as an example of an AVA (and the first AVA), but otherwise has no reason to be singled out in a general article here. Please consider revising. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:31, 17 July 2019 (UTC)