Talk:Appetite

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Dear People: I have a very important question! A dear friend of mine is maybe anorexic. Her father needs to see in print that this can be caused by stress. I, as a cousulor, know this to be the case. But I need to counsul them both, and I need specific info. on how stres (depression) can make a person not eat. But, as I said, I need it from a souce that they will both respect and understand. Please help in any way you can. Rev. Thomas Manske


 * I've recently expanded the article; I must state that I forgot to add stress as a modifier of appetite. Depression is there already. Please post future requests on the Village Pump page. JFW | T@lk  17:28, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The entry for Appetite borders between an encyclopedic entry and a dictionary definition. Although I feel it is currently more of an encyclopedic entry, the lack of details on current events, and any historical facts about appetite are lacking. Additionally, "appetite" can be used in a different manner to refer to something like sexual appetite. User:AllyUnion


 * I have responded on Allyunion's talk page. Perceived deficiencies in the article do not decrease the encyclopedicity of the topic. There is a lot of science to appetite, summarised by my inadequate person. If you want to add historical fact or current event, have a go at it! JFW | T@lk  08:16, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Humans vs. other creatures
The page segues between appetite in all higher life forms to appetite in humans, without alerting the reader that it was doing so. I was confused for a little while trying to decide if the mechanisms discussed applied only in humans or in mammals or animals, et cetera. DanKeshet 01:05, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)

I'm more confused by the term higher life forms. It is vague, undefined and subjective. MrEvers (talk) 23:35, 19 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree. It would be more accurate to say all animals. Ellenor2000 (talk) 01:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Links
There is a conspicuous absence of links to other webpages on this topic. Please post them on the article. I for one would like to learn more about appetite on the web. Rintrah 14:09, 7 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what would constitute a useful link for this article. Most knowledge about appetite regulation etc is available in scientific journals. What exactly would you like to read about? Perhaps I could expand the article to cover your interests. JFW | T@lk  14:48, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

What I would like to know is why some people have larger appetites than others. I would like to know specifically what influences appetite genetically, and enviromentally.

I am interested in this subject because I have a very large appetite, but I am definitely not overweight. It feels odd being so much hungrier than everyone else and eating much more. If you could expand it to include that topic, or point me to somewhere I can read about it, I would be very happy. Thanks. Rintrah 13:50, 8 November 2005 (UTC)


 * A lot of this is actually covered on obesity because of the inevitable consequences. There appear to be both genetic factors (polymorphisms in genes, such as the MSH-4 receptor, the leptin system etc) and environmental ones (habit forming, possibly relative insensitivity to leptin). I agree that this article is a bit vague on the matter. JFW | T@lk  14:29, 8 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I've expanded the "role in disease" section. JFW | T@lk  14:58, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Physical vs. emotional
This article starts out nearly equating appetite with hunger. The article does nothing to describe situations like seeing something gross which can have an effect on emotional appetite, but not physical hunger. Hackwrench 04:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Pharmacology
So, we have drugs which suppress appetite- where are the drugs which increase it? Mirtazapine is one I know; what about any others?

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Appetite enhancement?
This article talks quite a lot about appetite reduction for people seeking to lose weight, but what about appetite enhancement? Is there such a molecule/medicine out there that increases your appetite? I think this article should include a statement about it, even if it is found that there is no such thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.147.133.191 (talk) 18:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Pot? Anything added on medicines would need to be reliably sourced but it's definitely a good suggestion.  WLU (talk) 18:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I added some information on cachexia treatments; rikkunshito looks like the best so far. I'll put some notes in here about stuff which isn't so reliably-sourced... II  | (t - c)
 * Added a bit about ginger and kapuravalli which is a bit primary research but still worth including I think. According to A SURVEY OF MEDICINALLY IMPORTANT PLANTS IN AROUND SRIVILLIPUTTUR TALUK Phyllanthus amarus was used for appetite but I'm not sure about research on it. II  | (t - c) 03:19, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Ostarine is an Investigational New Drug - sort of like a modern anabolic steroid - see this. II  | (t - c) 03:21, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This appetite/p/318 Ask A Naturopath article about appetite stimulation has a lot of interesting information, but few good sources. Still, might be worth doing a lit search on some of the herbs mentioned such as cinnamon (hydroxychalcone), bitter melon, dandelion capsules, slippery elm bark, and glycosides in orange peels. Separately I've seen maca mentioned. Also I think there's some study from Himalaya Herbal showing that their Geriforte stimulated appetite, but it has a bunch of ingredients - thought they might've pointed to Chyavanprash concentrate. II  | (t - c) 05:32, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Free stuff
is a free Starling review on appetite control. JFW | T@lk  04:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Tone
Just a suggestion (I'd take care of it myself if I had time), but some portions of this article come across as un-encyclopedic; namely, the paragraph under "Physiological Factors" beginning at "Depletion of the body's store...", as well as the " Visual Influence" section. Tone aside, the former introduces "reservoirs" which are absent from the rest of the article, while the latter contains obscure references to tangential German Wikipedia pages. Shamalamadingdomg (talk) 10:01, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Rikkunshito and MEDRS journals
It looks like and I are going to thru dispute resolution on rikkunshito. Perhaps peruse the list of cited publications by this review and see if any meet the standards to head off a long debate? We should also clarify whether it's the underlying primary research or the scientific journal. We could also look at the 94 publications since 2018coming up on ghrelin rikkunshito on Google Scholar; a number of them are reviews (and all of them, of course, include discussion on the rather voluminous literature). It's also worth noting that this is an article on human physiology - it's not an article on a disease, and as such it should discuss physiology and novel compounds. II | (t - c) 05:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I reverted this edit because a) the studies reviewed were on small numbers of people or done using lab studies (all primary research; very low-quality), and b) that journal, E-BCAM, publishes low-quality, non-MEDRS content, with a low (2.0) impact factor. Best to avoid citing literature from E-BCAM for WP medical content, as it is on a WP source blacklist called "Crapwatch" here (under Alternative medicine, which disqualifies that journal from use for medical topics). We can find a better ref, such as this. For the article section on appetite stimulation, I'm ok with saying that rikkunshito is "under preliminary research to identify its potential use as an appetite stimulant". This is fact, but to state it more conclusively is misleading and unsupported by a high-quality source. --Zefr (talk) 17:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * - thanks for compromising, looks better. I'm not sure I entirely agree with your characterization of the evidence but it's OK. I updated it a bit. I understand that it's difficult to balance Wikipedia's generally inclusive principles around content (Wikipedia goes deep), and some sort of protective mechanism. Thanks for pointing me to the WP:SOURCEWATCH, altho honestly I think that referring to it as WP:CRAPWATCH is emblematic of the disappointingly offensive way that Wikipedia editors in general tend to treat people, and WP:MED in particular (a WikiProject which has famously showed a lack of interest in self-policing harassment-oriented editors). II  | (t - c) 18:37, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Redundant outdated bibliography
Moved from article to here for archiving. --Zefr (talk) 17:43, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Included 'body dysmorphia' to the eating disorder section, including a source. tul54161Tul54161 (talk) 00:14, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Formal request has been received to merge: Hunger (physiology) into Appetite; dated: February 4, 2020. Proposer's rationale: Terms overlap a lot and neurological mechanisms explained in both articles are the same. Pinging proposer discuss below. Richard3120 (talk) 15:29, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose: I would oppose a merge here, and support keeping the articles on Hunger (physiology) and Appetite separate. Hunger is not the same as appetite - appetite refers to a more generic tendency, hunger refers to a short-term state. Vorbee (talk) 07:41, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Agree with Vorbee. There are numerous conditions and outcomes between appetite and hunger that are different. Non-science encyclopedia users likely would not distinguish differences between the two terms, and should have the opportunity to identify them individually. --Zefr (talk) 22:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Vorbee ~ HAL  333  18:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support duplication of content.Lil heartthief (talk) 20:09, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

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Different kinds or aspects of appetite?
I wonder if medical or nutritional or psychological science identifies any distinct types or subclassifications of appetite? In my own case I feel personally that there is a distinction between my ability to realize that I should eat and determine what would be good to eat and how to get it (could be separated into several different aspects there too...), and my ability to consume quantities of food when they are available, and determine when I have had enough. I first actually noticed this with thirst. I might not realize I felt thirsty, but at different times I would drink different quantities of water once I started drinking it. But personal observations have no place in wikipedia except as a starting point for searches of authoritative sources... (I do find (Satiety--and wonder, somewhat glibly, why it is not termed satiation) -- SportWagon (talk) 16:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)